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okay now for our interview of Dave

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Beatty director of the nimitz encounter

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i started by asking him to tell us how

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the project got started really going

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into it my perspective was telling this

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story because that my my whole film and

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the whole research began right at the

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beginning when i first heard about it

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you know in the late 2017 and then at

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that time i don't think a lot of people

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knew about this story and even after the

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new york times article so i started

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piecing all the things together and you

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know in doing so in coming up with this

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little recreation a bunch of people

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started coming out of the Woodworks

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contacting me saying hey i was there you

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know i saw it so these he's i guess out

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of the woodwork these other witnesses

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came forward that were part of the

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official story none of these guys had

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contacted me were in any of the official

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media reports not mentioned at all and

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you know i started uncovering all this

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these other little details that you know

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in some ways lined up with the the

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official story but in some ways you know

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diverged especially if there seem to be

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US Airforce involvement or you know

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military confiscating data and so on

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which led me to think that you know if

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this was a UFO and they didn't know what

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what it was why were officials boarding

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that the ships and taking data like

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immediately right after this event that

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sort of like made me think well this

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could be possibly some type of mmm

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terrestrial technology that with

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advanced maybe air force or advanced you

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know aerospace platforms that we're

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being tested out there right right right

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i mean listening to all your guests i

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you know i'd go down that path a little

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further and think wow you know with the

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ESM in these swarm drones and radar

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false radar hits and all that yeah it

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seems like that's definitely a

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legitimate third option i think it was

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TD barnes that we had on the show who is

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this guy who was a longtime area 51

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employee and talked about some of these

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technologies that that they were

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employing at that time and how they

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would test those technologies and test

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them against our own systems and so on

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but in talking to

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many of the folks that you've spoken to

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so we've now recently spoken to PJ

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Hughes and give me the Gary Ford he's

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and Kevin day in Kevin day yeah so we've

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never interviewed all all of them and to

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go back to where I was you've got the

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first question of what is this then for

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us we've gone down this kind of hole of

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these claims that turbo made on our show

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which we've been investigating which is

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basically like absolutely positively

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100% this is secret US air force

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technology he knows this

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because of a AV specialist who was part

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of the briefing that shared this

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information with turbo way back when

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turbo didn't make much of it at the time

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and then later when the videos were

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released I think he went back and had

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further conversations with the guy and

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kind of confirmed that's what it was and

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then turbo went on to make the

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astounding assertion all being it albeit

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being a bit cagey about it that he

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actually has seen one and flown in one

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is that have you he shared that part of

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the story with you no actually that's

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the first time I heard it so again you

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know in one of the things that did like

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the other witnesses that have talked to

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me that we're on the ships have said

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over and over they always had said to me

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there's no way date that the Navy would

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do that to us they wouldn't put us in a

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operational test without letting us know

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or somebody at least that was around us

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I mean they said that over and over

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cabin day the operational specialists in

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combat Information Center the senior

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chief you know that was there he said

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that they didn't do it

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he's 17-year experienced Navy guy he

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said that it would be too dangerous to

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put the crews in that kind of situation

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now if it's electronic

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you know spoofing radar then I guess you

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could say well you know come on that's

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not dangerous it's not even there

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there's nothing really there um I I want

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to add a number four to your little

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scenario there too and that is there is

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a training

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emulation mode that the aegis system can

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use that will allow a trainer to

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introduce tracks within the system

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within the radar system that are not

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there and it's basically used to

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simulate drills if they wanted to have a

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MIG fighter or something coming in or a

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missile or something like that as a

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simulation they trained on that all the

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time it was a you know think about it

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that's a great opportunity to set up a

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you know what they were doing out there

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off the coast basically tsta or tailored

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ship training availability in comp 2x is

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a simulation so during that few weeks

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out there they're simulating sub attacks

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and enemy fighters coming in and you

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know this Aegis system did have the

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ability to put false targets on their

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display now you could think of well you

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know let's do a test where we don't tell

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anybody that it's a simulation this is

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some new evolution that they're going to

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evaluate the crew in an environment

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whether or not revealing that it's a

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simulation you know but kevin has always

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you know while he admits that capability

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was there he's always said that they the

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Navy wouldn't do that

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they wouldn't you know produce a

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training where no one was briefed going

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into it that this was a simulated

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training situation and he says that the

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tic-tock events that was not the case it

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was not a training it was not a test

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that you know the Air Force was doing

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against the Navy without telling them so

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long and you have to also look at the

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commander flavor and you know Lieutenant

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Kurt and you know all these guys who are

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out there lieutenant colonel Douglas

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Kurth and Jim slay

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they've all sort of said that this you

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know wasn't a training thing that that

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they were aware of they wouldn't do that

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upset with that idea that it would be

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what they turned blue on blue because as

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an aircrew going out without having any

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you know prior knowledge of the another

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air vehicle being out there is a safety

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of flight issue so without being briefed

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so again I don't know yeah well what

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argues against obviously the spoofing

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technology is the eyewitnesses yeah and

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the the count of the number of

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eyewitnesses from my count

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anyway seems to be going up I'm curious

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what your count is when we interviewed

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Hawkeye he reports that he's got this

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guy who he referred to as Roger I think

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a new documentary and since this

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eyewitness friend who says absolutely

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that he saw it and that Roger

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essentially says that all five people on

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board that Hawkeye saw it with their own

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eyes so there's five plus flavor and the

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flavors copilot and and then I presume

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out there I don't know I don't recall

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their names but I were they both

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eyewitnesses as far as you know

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yes I'm Jim slate would have been the

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backseater the weapon system officer of

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the wingman chat in flavors flight the

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front seat officer was a female pilot

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that appeared in the unidentified show

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in silhouette she her name has not been

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released and she doesn't want her name

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released at this time

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planes now there is a little contention

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crew members that are aboard that the

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fighter pilots you know especially

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commander favored disputes that he says

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only his flight had visual eyes on in

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fact they he disputes that the Kevin day

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binoculars on the worship USS Princeton

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because it was simply too far away at

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all times from that battle group so he

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says that that couldn't have possibly

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happened although Kevin and Gary

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maintained that they also saw the

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tic-tacs based on their experience of

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walking up to the radar system and again

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intercept this was after it may be a day

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after or you know like not at the exact

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same time at different time they walked

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these hits that they had been observing

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for a week went upstairs to the bridge

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wing and took a bearing of that

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direction they knew it was probably 20

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30 miles away and saw these little white

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lights on the horizon basically in the

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same position of these objects so

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visuals I mean they believed that they

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were looking at what they saw on the

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radar which were these same objects yeah

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there is that unfortunate conflict

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between the stories that hopefully those

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guys are all going to get under a room

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at some point and rectify because they

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seem like kind of silly disagreements as

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far as the binoculars go I mean they

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call them the big eyes and it seems to

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me these big eyes absolutely can see

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that far and that favor would have no

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idea who had gone up to that deck to use

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the big eyes to look for this thing

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especially considering as you point out

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they had been seeing these things for

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about four days before the flavor goes

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out there yeah and you know one of the

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things I've been trying to get these

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guys all in the room we all have I know

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Tim has made efforts there's while Tim

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McMillan who was on your show to try to

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reach out to these pilots to say I want

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you know why don't you guys just talk to

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each other I set up a conference call

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with Paco cirucci and you know several

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of the surface warfare guys you know PJ

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and Gary and just tried to have him talk

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but the ruse there was this brick brick

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wall that was put up that I saw no

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discussion was possible they were wrong

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they didn't it was it was absurd the

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idea that they saw a tic-tac from the

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bridge wing and the ship because Paco

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said the closest that the tic-tacs ever

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got to the princeton was 100 miles

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somehow he knew this based on the report

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that he read number the report he had in

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his hand he says that the tic tacs never

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got any closer and it was actually only

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entire week that they tracked on radar

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instead of the you know numerous ones

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that Kevin claims that he saw and that

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they were looking at so I mean I I tend

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to side with Kevin day and Gary who were

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actually physically present in CIC and

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they both corroborate what was going on

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in fact all of the

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witnesses on the Princeton that were

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there or saying that these objects were

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seen almost a daily basis in groups

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within CSC if they had a reason to be in

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there they would see the stuff going

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down on the screens especially Gary who

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corroborates Kevin's testimony that

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there were you know during a week up to

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a hundred objects they witness not four

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or five up to a hundred now again this

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is a separate ship the fighter pilots

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were not present on the Princeton they

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didn't see what Kevin and Gary saw so

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their contention that it's impossible

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for these guys who have seen him with

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the bigeye binoculars I'm saying why not

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I mean if they saw a track that was 20

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miles away they could go up there and

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you know at at dusk if these things were

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illuminated they you know especially

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they would be able to see those things

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would with but not because they'd be

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tiny little specks I'm sure but it's my

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understanding they could have seen them

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yeah and they they kind of reported

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essentially that they were simply tiny

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snaps so I think you and I are on the

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same page on that intending to believe

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Kevin and Gary what about going back to

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the Hawkeye and whether the airman on

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the hawk I saw yeah so I had a personal

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interaction with the Airmen that we're

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calling rods are actually using a

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aviation technician in flight technician

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and in the beginning I got some pushback

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from paco saying that no that's

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impossible the only people that are ever

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on the eetu Hawkeye are naval flight

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officers you don't have enlisted or

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petty officers on these planes so I went

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back to PJ and I did find out that yes

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indeed there was a training program or a

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naval program called in flight

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technician where petty officers that

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were aviation technicians would fly on

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the Hawkeye's and provide a sort of

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needed service which is to identify any

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problems that might be going on so these

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guys were trained in all this you know

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the SAR type waterborne rescue they had

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to go through this special training to

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be able to fly on these Hawkeye planes

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and indeed the the gentleman that I

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spoke to I kind of checked out his

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background and did that him that he was

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in deviance program he did

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fly in the Hawkeye so I know that this

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guy is real and the reason why he didn't

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want to come forward was because he said

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that according to him he had assigned

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some secret he had to sign a document

334
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right after the incident said he

335
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wouldn't talk about it so even going out

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on a lemon in even mentioning to it to

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me was sort of a little you know sketchy

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for him you didn't want his name used he

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didn't said he he literally said that's

340
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all I have to say about it please don't

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contact me again about it and what he

342
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said was that yes indeed during the same

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flight that commander Fraker

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you know intercepted the tic-tac they

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heard the radio calls through the

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communication network you know with the

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Princeton and fast Eagle flight and at

348
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that time they the entire air crew

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witnessed one of these objects form up

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on their plane for a few seconds and

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then take off and you know I kind of

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recreated it and I recreated that in my

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little documentary where I showed what

354
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maybe it looked like you know based on

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his description so he said that when

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they landed and he said all five aircrew

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in that plane would have seen this

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object they were present and they knew

359
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what they saw so he said when they

360
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landed they sat on the dock for 20

361
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minutes in what he called was a hot

362
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refueling state he said it was sort of

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unusual in a training evolution to sit

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in your flight gear with the engines

365
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running on the flight deck and me too

366
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because you know number one you're

367
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burning fuel and if you're gonna take

368
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off again that would make sense it just

369
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didn't make sense that they sat there

370
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and then you know when the when they did

371
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get permission to shut down they didn't

372
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go to their normal briefing room you

373
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know the ready room where they might do

374
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a normal debrief of their mission they

375
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went to this other area that he

376
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described it as a secure briefing room

377
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on where they were told not to talk

378
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about it and they this is allegedly

379
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where they sign these documents we've

380
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asked him does he have a copy and he's

381
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like no they didn't give us copies and

382
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it wasn't really a volunteer type thing

383
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hey do you mind signing this it was

384
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signed this and don't ever talk about

385
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what you

386
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so and I imagine he didn't share the

387
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names of the other Airmen that were on

388
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board no I mean Patrick knows most of

389
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the people that were there because he I

390
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mean it was a member of the Wallbanger

391
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squadron and Roger knows who was there

392
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so I think that some of these people

393
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have been contacted and you know so far

394
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no one else's

395
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you know agreed to speak one of the

396
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interesting things that has come out

397
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before any of this before just this you

398
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know happened I guess in 2018 all the

399
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Roger and PJ and everything before that

400
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there was a document that was a

401
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investigative report called the

402
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executive summary that was leaked by

403
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George Knapp of klas and this is a we

404
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call it the 13 page executive summary

405
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report and that report is a pretty

406
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specific document that describes

407
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interviews with crewmembers of almost

408
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every shift plane submarine you name it

409
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and they interview somebody that

410
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allegedly was on the e-2 Hawkeye that

411
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Roger would have been with and in that

412
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in that statement he says that they did

413
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not hold or they did not see any

414
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tic-tacs they tried to get a radar

415
00:17:01,500 --> 00:16:59,470
return on one of the tic tacs but it was

416
00:17:04,319 --> 00:17:01,510
almost impossible I think they said they

417
00:17:06,360 --> 00:17:04,329
got a radar return on it and then they

418
00:17:10,439 --> 00:17:06,370
thought it might be wave tops because of

419
00:17:12,510 --> 00:17:10,449
the high sea state but again in that

420
00:17:15,419 --> 00:17:12,520
document it doesn't say anything about

421
00:17:18,510 --> 00:17:15,429
seeing any tic tacs or even getting a

422
00:17:19,980 --> 00:17:18,520
radar lock on from the h2 Hawkeye so are

423
00:17:23,069 --> 00:17:19,990
we sure that that would have been the

424
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same Hawkeye flight yeah according to

425
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the the executive summary the

426
00:17:31,850 --> 00:17:27,699
interviewer specifically says that this

427
00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:31,860
was Bangor the Hawkeye that you know was

428
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originally going to control fast Eagle

429
00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:36,670
before Princeton took over the control

430
00:17:40,470 --> 00:17:38,170
of the flight but they were the ones

431
00:17:43,650 --> 00:17:40,480
airborne and this some I think it was a

432
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lieutenant that was PJ told me he was a

433
00:17:46,530 --> 00:17:45,250
pilot in the front of the plane he would

434
00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:46,540
have been one of the guys sitting with

435
00:17:50,970 --> 00:17:48,850
Roger and they know this guy

436
00:17:53,789 --> 00:17:50,980
they all know them so they say it was

437
00:17:56,700 --> 00:17:53,799
their division commander that made that

438
00:18:00,090 --> 00:17:56,710
statement but PJ and Roger will say that

439
00:18:02,909 --> 00:18:00,100
that's incorrect that they did see a tic

440
00:18:05,639 --> 00:18:02,919
tac visually and according to PJ that

441
00:18:08,730 --> 00:18:05,649
the Hawkeye actually at one point did

442
00:18:10,980 --> 00:18:08,740
hold a radar contact now here's an

443
00:18:14,070 --> 00:18:10,990
interesting fact they could not open the

444
00:18:17,340 --> 00:18:14,080
windows like in the back of the plane if

445
00:18:20,299 --> 00:18:17,350
the radar is on and it's just like a

446
00:18:23,129 --> 00:18:20,309
little bit of trivia that I learned that

447
00:18:24,899 --> 00:18:23,139
their screen their RF screens that they

448
00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:24,909
have to put down so if the Hawkeye is

449
00:18:29,070 --> 00:18:27,730
big dish radar is operating they would

450
00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:29,080
never have the windows open so they

451
00:18:32,279 --> 00:18:30,610
wouldn't be able to see but they can put

452
00:18:33,570 --> 00:18:32,289
the Raider and stand by and then open

453
00:18:37,289 --> 00:18:33,580
the windows and they said that's what

454
00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:37,299
they did the 13 page executive summary

455
00:18:47,580 --> 00:18:43,570
was prepared by whom or what entity it's

456
00:18:50,629 --> 00:18:47,590
it's sort of a mystery but George says

457
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that he was handed this document at a

458
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briefing on the hill when he when he was

459
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there with former Senator Reid so he

460
00:19:01,799 --> 00:18:58,929
went to some type of briefing and at

461
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that meeting he was given this document

462
00:19:06,570 --> 00:19:04,090
apparently you know to release to the

463
00:19:10,409 --> 00:19:06,580
public or at least it was a document

464
00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:10,419
that's redacted now I think that George

465
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had the version that was unredacted I

466
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don't know that at the time it was

467
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redacted but you know somebody out I

468
00:19:20,460 --> 00:19:17,830
went through that document and took out

469
00:19:23,430 --> 00:19:20,470
all the names so we don't know exactly

470
00:19:26,249 --> 00:19:23,440
who's mentioned in there I was a little

471
00:19:28,249 --> 00:19:26,259
confused because in the in the part

472
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about the USS Princeton it mentions a

473
00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:31,480
senior chief fire control man with 17

474
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years experience and that sounds like

475
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cabin day you know and even the little

476
00:19:41,190 --> 00:19:38,529
redaction looks small and I've

477
00:19:43,110 --> 00:19:41,200
subsequently found out that that indeed

478
00:19:45,749 --> 00:19:43,120
was not Kevin there was another guy that

479
00:19:48,330 --> 00:19:45,759
was aboard the Princeton at the same

480
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time that you know had a very similar

481
00:19:54,779 --> 00:19:51,220
story to what Kevin in in you know his

482
00:19:56,580 --> 00:19:54,789
story lined up with cabinets and in the

483
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meantime those two gentlemen have

484
00:20:00,450 --> 00:19:58,690
connected since I found that out which

485
00:20:02,730 --> 00:20:00,460
is interesting he doesn't want to come

486
00:20:07,019 --> 00:20:02,740
forward at this time so

487
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and so was George Knapp had a briefing

488
00:20:11,549 --> 00:20:10,090
on the subject indeed instead of from

489
00:20:14,430 --> 00:20:11,559
what I understand he was out of briefing

490
00:20:18,210 --> 00:20:14,440
with Senator Reid about a tip and again

491
00:20:20,610 --> 00:20:18,220
this is you know before the whole reveal

492
00:20:22,580 --> 00:20:20,620
with the New York Times and the Politico

493
00:20:25,139 --> 00:20:22,590
and so on when that article came out

494
00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:25,149
talking about black budgets and glowing

495
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or as in this state advanced aerospace

496
00:20:32,430 --> 00:20:29,890
threat identification program so it was

497
00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:32,440
right before that there was some type of

498
00:20:37,260 --> 00:20:33,850
meeting where he was invited to

499
00:20:40,169 --> 00:20:37,270
participate in he was given this this

500
00:20:43,169 --> 00:20:40,179
document which you know you know Paco

501
00:20:45,419 --> 00:20:43,179
said because I sent that when the day

502
00:20:47,700 --> 00:20:45,429
that came out I sent that to Paco chichi

503
00:20:49,220 --> 00:20:47,710
and I said hey have you seen this is

504
00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:49,230
this the same thing that you have

505
00:20:56,430 --> 00:20:52,570
because he said his document was an O n

506
00:21:00,029 --> 00:20:56,440
I sourced investigation and he said it's

507
00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:00,039
similar but not the same oh and I sorry

508
00:21:05,190 --> 00:21:02,890
is what that's the office of digital

509
00:21:07,649 --> 00:21:05,200
investigations I think it does oh oh and

510
00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:07,659
I okay and so that's the Navy's

511
00:21:13,230 --> 00:21:09,490
investigative arm and I believe that

512
00:21:17,399 --> 00:21:13,240
Paco you know said that the document

513
00:21:20,220 --> 00:21:17,409
that he had was Oh an i source document

514
00:21:22,710 --> 00:21:20,230
and actually you know on your show i

515
00:21:25,470 --> 00:21:22,720
believe he mentions that it's also an a

516
00:21:29,340 --> 00:21:25,480
tip document so he kind of used those

517
00:21:31,350 --> 00:21:29,350
two terms to describe this this I think

518
00:21:33,029 --> 00:21:31,360
it was 20 or 30 pages the thing that he

519
00:21:35,850 --> 00:21:33,039
had and he said to me that it was more

520
00:21:38,940 --> 00:21:35,860
granular and more detailed than the 13

521
00:21:41,340 --> 00:21:38,950
page one mmm well what I can tell you is

522
00:21:45,360 --> 00:21:41,350
since that interview Mike Kerber sent us

523
00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:45,370
something and it's 13 pages and we sent

524
00:21:49,380 --> 00:21:48,250
it to Paco to say hey Paco is this what

525
00:21:51,990 --> 00:21:49,390
you had in your hand during the

526
00:21:52,919 --> 00:21:52,000
interview and he said yes it is mm-hmm

527
00:21:55,620 --> 00:21:52,929
so so

528
00:21:57,480 --> 00:21:55,630
Paco's saying what he had was a 13 page

529
00:22:00,060 --> 00:21:57,490
document which it starts with executive

530
00:22:02,850 --> 00:22:00,070
summary it almost seems as if the

531
00:22:05,299 --> 00:22:02,860
heading has been redacted because it

532
00:22:07,799 --> 00:22:05,309
doesn't start at the top of the page and

533
00:22:09,299 --> 00:22:07,809
you know there's nobody's emblem at the

534
00:22:10,649 --> 00:22:09,309
top there's no Navy similar and he just

535
00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:10,659
says executive summary is that the

536
00:22:14,789 --> 00:22:12,970
version you've seen well I'll send you

537
00:22:16,290 --> 00:22:14,799
guys after the show the one that was

538
00:22:19,620 --> 00:22:16,300
released by kala

539
00:22:20,910 --> 00:22:19,630
in May of 2018 I think George did a

540
00:22:22,650 --> 00:22:20,920
whole story on it with the i-team

541
00:22:24,270 --> 00:22:22,660
investigative reports and you know

542
00:22:27,540 --> 00:22:24,280
here's this document and he holds it up

543
00:22:29,970 --> 00:22:27,550
and then it was the PDF was out on his

544
00:22:32,220 --> 00:22:29,980
website and it may be the same one that

545
00:22:34,590 --> 00:22:32,230
you guys have and maybe what Paco had

546
00:22:36,870 --> 00:22:34,600
because he's maintained that this other

547
00:22:39,990 --> 00:22:36,880
document that he had was either

548
00:22:43,020 --> 00:22:40,000
sensitive or had some level of clearance

549
00:22:44,910 --> 00:22:43,030
associated with it you know I asked him

550
00:22:46,650 --> 00:22:44,920
who gave it to him and he he told me

551
00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:46,660
that he goes well I can't tell you the

552
00:22:51,540 --> 00:22:49,450
person they gave me this document asked

553
00:22:54,390 --> 00:22:51,550
me not to say okay if it's to him so

554
00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:54,400
yeah but it it's it is the same but I

555
00:23:00,330 --> 00:22:56,890
think that the one that Paco based his

556
00:23:03,900 --> 00:23:00,340
article on may have been even longer or

557
00:23:05,940 --> 00:23:03,910
more detailed again I don't know so yeah

558
00:23:07,620 --> 00:23:05,950
there's a number of briefings it'd be

559
00:23:10,890 --> 00:23:07,630
interesting to do a little timeline of

560
00:23:12,780 --> 00:23:10,900
briefings on this thing because we just

561
00:23:14,130 --> 00:23:12,790
learned for the first time maybe you

562
00:23:16,590 --> 00:23:14,140
already you probably already knew but

563
00:23:20,250 --> 00:23:16,600
Kevin day told us that he had a

564
00:23:23,550 --> 00:23:20,260
lessons-learned briefing in San Diego

565
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:23,560
after they went to port did you remember

566
00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:27,690
him telling you about that you know the

567
00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:31,330
what came up with me was a gentleman

568
00:23:37,140 --> 00:23:34,570
contacted me and said Dave I was on the

569
00:23:43,410 --> 00:23:37,150
USS Nimitz during that week in November

570
00:23:45,450 --> 00:23:43,420
2004 so my job was in the CDC which is

571
00:23:48,150 --> 00:23:45,460
similar the combat Direction Center

572
00:23:50,550 --> 00:23:48,160
which is similar to the CIC on Princeton

573
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:50,560
where it's where all the radar screens

574
00:23:55,470 --> 00:23:52,650
are and you know it's a darkened room

575
00:23:58,410 --> 00:23:55,480
where they plan combat operations on the

576
00:24:01,860 --> 00:23:58,420
carrier and he said that he was sort of

577
00:24:04,530 --> 00:24:01,870
involved in that department he said did

578
00:24:09,900 --> 00:24:04,540
you hear about the meeting after this

579
00:24:11,610 --> 00:24:09,910
work on Sims Hall si MS Hall in San

580
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:11,620
Diego at the naval base you know he

581
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:12,850
actually said it was the anti-submarine

582
00:24:17,010 --> 00:24:15,490
warfare base so I looked that up real

583
00:24:19,350 --> 00:24:17,020
quick on Google and sure enough there's

584
00:24:21,630 --> 00:24:19,360
this Sims hall and I said no I'd never

585
00:24:25,290 --> 00:24:21,640
heard of that what was it and this is

586
00:24:27,210 --> 00:24:25,300
email on between me and him he said well

587
00:24:30,100 --> 00:24:27,220
the people that were involved in this

588
00:24:33,780 --> 00:24:30,110
incident were told to report what to say

589
00:24:37,060 --> 00:24:33,790
ha laughter we arrived in port for

590
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:37,070
training but once we got there we found

591
00:24:42,700 --> 00:24:39,410
out that this was all the people the

592
00:24:44,830 --> 00:24:42,710
pilots and the senior Chiefs and the

593
00:24:48,220 --> 00:24:44,840
officers and so on that were part of

594
00:24:50,740 --> 00:24:48,230
this UFO were there and they were

595
00:24:52,180 --> 00:24:50,750
actually some people took the stage and

596
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:52,190
talked about it for a little while and

597
00:24:57,460 --> 00:24:55,250
they said yes this was real and don't

598
00:24:59,620 --> 00:24:57,470
talk about it so they didn't sign

599
00:25:01,120 --> 00:24:59,630
anything or you know sworn to secrecy

600
00:25:03,190 --> 00:25:01,130
but they were just warned you know

601
00:25:05,020 --> 00:25:03,200
please don't talk about this so that's

602
00:25:06,789 --> 00:25:05,030
the extent of that information now I

603
00:25:08,799 --> 00:25:06,799
asked Kevin I go were you there did you

604
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:08,809
go to Sims Hall and he said I don't

605
00:25:14,890 --> 00:25:11,450
remember that but we do have the lessons

606
00:25:16,330 --> 00:25:14,900
learned after any work up where all of

607
00:25:18,669 --> 00:25:16,340
the officers get together to kind of

608
00:25:21,120 --> 00:25:18,679
replay what went right and what what

609
00:25:23,380 --> 00:25:21,130
what went wrong during the training

610
00:25:26,710 --> 00:25:23,390
exactly yeah that's what he shared with

611
00:25:28,690 --> 00:25:26,720
us what was the lessons learned briefing

612
00:25:31,810 --> 00:25:28,700
that he did say that freighter was at

613
00:25:34,090 --> 00:25:31,820
and I think he said that these tech

614
00:25:36,100 --> 00:25:34,100
Tech's came up but it wasn't the primary

615
00:25:37,810 --> 00:25:36,110
purpose of man II know it's been a long

616
00:25:40,419 --> 00:25:37,820
time maybe that's the same meeting it

617
00:25:41,980 --> 00:25:40,429
sounds similar to me and then you had

618
00:25:44,710 --> 00:25:41,990
the disagreement about whether data was

619
00:25:47,230 --> 00:25:44,720
taken or not with flavor adamantly

620
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:47,240
saying nobody boarded the ship nobody

621
00:25:53,140 --> 00:25:50,090
took anything and you just kind of

622
00:25:56,260 --> 00:25:53,150
wonder why he speaks so definitively of

623
00:26:01,060 --> 00:25:56,270
that because the Hawkeye was not under

624
00:26:03,190 --> 00:26:01,070
his command he can speak definitively

625
00:26:05,980 --> 00:26:03,200
that nothing was taken from him but PJ

626
00:26:07,419 --> 00:26:05,990
Hughes kind of reported that well you

627
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:07,429
don't really need anything off of the

628
00:26:12,909 --> 00:26:11,090
Hornets because everything is on the

629
00:26:14,890 --> 00:26:12,919
Hawkeye data bricks

630
00:26:17,860 --> 00:26:14,900
that because they're out there in

631
00:26:19,690 --> 00:26:17,870
support of the the Hornets essentially

632
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:19,700
if you wanted to go to one place to get

633
00:26:27,130 --> 00:26:23,330
everything the place to go is to me and

634
00:26:30,460 --> 00:26:27,140
to get those bricks mm-hmm but how do

635
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:30,470
you suss out this this furnace agreement

636
00:26:35,500 --> 00:26:33,290
I mean I I just want to say that I

637
00:26:36,250 --> 00:26:35,510
totally respect commander flavor he's an

638
00:26:39,970 --> 00:26:36,260
American Hero

639
00:26:41,470 --> 00:26:39,980
I mean his track record in Navy aviation

640
00:26:43,360 --> 00:26:41,480
speaks for itself

641
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:43,370
really I mean what he says is the truth

642
00:26:45,620 --> 00:26:43,890
he's

643
00:26:47,750 --> 00:26:45,630
not lying about any I mean he was a

644
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:47,760
senior commander he was a CEO of you

645
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:50,250
know the Black Aces BFA 41 fighter

646
00:26:55,250 --> 00:26:52,530
squadron on a aircraft carrier I mean

647
00:26:57,020 --> 00:26:55,260
he's a high-level naval officer I mean

648
00:26:58,760 --> 00:26:57,030
his point was like I was in all of the

649
00:27:00,710 --> 00:26:58,770
briefings with a captain with the

650
00:27:02,870 --> 00:27:00,720
commander of the Air Wing you know we

651
00:27:04,790 --> 00:27:02,880
talked about this stuff I was in you

652
00:27:06,590 --> 00:27:04,800
know with Intel no one mentioned

653
00:27:07,700 --> 00:27:06,600
anything about an investigation no one

654
00:27:09,890 --> 00:27:07,710
seemed to care that they were laughing

655
00:27:11,900 --> 00:27:09,900
about it so that's his whole take on it

656
00:27:15,910 --> 00:27:11,910
that that how could people come in I

657
00:27:18,940 --> 00:27:15,920
would know about it if that happened but

658
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:18,950
you know when I start thinking about

659
00:27:23,750 --> 00:27:20,730
classification levels and need-to-know

660
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:23,760
and in it or force people like kind of

661
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:26,490
cloak-and-dagger showing up you know and

662
00:27:31,700 --> 00:27:29,730
taking stuff maybe maybe that did happen

663
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:31,710
and if so maybe they didn't tell anybody

664
00:27:36,950 --> 00:27:34,050
maybe that was the whole point of it is

665
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:36,960
like you know we're we're taking this

666
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:38,850
information you know keep your mouth

667
00:27:42,140 --> 00:27:39,210
shut

668
00:27:45,830 --> 00:27:42,150
whoever was kind of there leading them

669
00:27:48,950 --> 00:27:45,840
around ships now if it was just one

670
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:48,960
incident where PJ cuz PJ was down in his

671
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:50,730
work area he didn't see any tick-tack he

672
00:27:54,980 --> 00:27:52,890
didn't know anything about anything when

673
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:54,990
that day when these guys showed up he

674
00:27:58,640 --> 00:27:56,250
was just doing his job and we thought it

675
00:28:02,300 --> 00:27:58,650
was odd why are two Air Force guys

676
00:28:04,850 --> 00:28:02,310
showing up taking my data bricks and it

677
00:28:07,250 --> 00:28:04,860
was just weird like sign him out because

678
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:07,260
you know they won't be coming back

679
00:28:14,270 --> 00:28:10,850
you're not getting these bricks back so

680
00:28:16,070 --> 00:28:14,280
after that you know that conversation I

681
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:16,080
had with PJ in the very beginning I went

682
00:28:21,590 --> 00:28:19,170
back to Gary and I recalled a phone call

683
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:21,600
I had between him myself and Kevin day

684
00:28:26,150 --> 00:28:23,490
when we were first you know kind of

685
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:26,160
contemplating this film and some of the

686
00:28:30,610 --> 00:28:27,930
recreations I was doing in the radio and

687
00:28:35,090 --> 00:28:30,620
I said Gary didn't you tell Kevin that

688
00:28:38,780 --> 00:28:35,100
you had to sign out your tapes to

689
00:28:40,460 --> 00:28:38,790
somebody he goes yes I go well why

690
00:28:43,730 --> 00:28:40,470
didn't you tell me and he said because

691
00:28:45,620 --> 00:28:43,740
he didn't ask me come on you know like

692
00:28:48,020 --> 00:28:45,630
all right I get it Gary I need to ask

693
00:28:51,500 --> 00:28:48,030
you about knowing about people taking

694
00:28:53,570 --> 00:28:51,510
the tapes but he said yeah that around

695
00:28:57,840 --> 00:28:53,580
that same time people arrived via

696
00:29:01,049 --> 00:28:57,850
helicopter most likely that's

697
00:29:03,750 --> 00:29:01,059
how they arrived and he was part of the

698
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:03,760
crew that you know had to be there as a

699
00:29:08,700 --> 00:29:05,650
firefighting crew during the helicopters

700
00:29:09,990 --> 00:29:08,710
and we could come in so he knew these

701
00:29:12,630 --> 00:29:10,000
helicopters were coming in and he was

702
00:29:14,310 --> 00:29:12,640
called downstairs as the chief

703
00:29:17,190 --> 00:29:14,320
technician for all the computer

704
00:29:19,590 --> 00:29:17,200
recording systems he literally had to

705
00:29:22,730 --> 00:29:19,600
sign out the I guess they were like

706
00:29:25,740 --> 00:29:22,740
these he said they were almost like

707
00:29:28,230 --> 00:29:25,750
eight millimeter or not eight millimeter

708
00:29:31,110 --> 00:29:28,240
but 8-track tapes that because there

709
00:29:32,430 --> 00:29:31,120
were digital tapes not hard drives and

710
00:29:33,899 --> 00:29:32,440
goes that's what we recorded on these

711
00:29:36,510 --> 00:29:33,909
digital tapes and he had to sign them

712
00:29:38,940 --> 00:29:36,520
out to his CEO who was with these two

713
00:29:40,409 --> 00:29:38,950
guys that were he said they they weren't

714
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:40,419
plainclothes he didn't notice any

715
00:29:44,730 --> 00:29:42,370
airforce insignia but there were two

716
00:29:47,940 --> 00:29:44,740
guys I said was that unusual it was

717
00:29:49,890 --> 00:29:47,950
highly unusual and and I said well what

718
00:29:54,740 --> 00:29:49,900
else did they take and he said well they

719
00:29:56,669 --> 00:29:54,750
made me or they wiped out the CEC which

720
00:29:58,770 --> 00:29:56,679
you know I don't know if you brought

721
00:30:01,320 --> 00:29:58,780
that technology up in your show before

722
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:01,330
Gary or these guys but that's called the

723
00:30:07,740 --> 00:30:03,370
cooperative engagement capability it's

724
00:30:10,500 --> 00:30:07,750
the the technology itself is classified

725
00:30:12,659 --> 00:30:10,510
the name of it isn't you can find it on

726
00:30:14,430 --> 00:30:12,669
the Navy's website it's just called the

727
00:30:17,250 --> 00:30:14,440
cooperative engagement capability and

728
00:30:20,399 --> 00:30:17,260
what what I've learned about it is it's

729
00:30:23,779 --> 00:30:20,409
a beyond visual range or beyond line of

730
00:30:26,970 --> 00:30:23,789
sight type of targeting system that

731
00:30:29,279 --> 00:30:26,980
combines radars from the entire battle

732
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:29,289
group so it's a very sophisticated

733
00:30:32,940 --> 00:30:31,090
computer system that takes all the

734
00:30:35,549 --> 00:30:32,950
radars from the planes and ships and

735
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:35,559
puts them all into one display so to

736
00:30:41,390 --> 00:30:38,890
speak so that even the hawk eye might be

737
00:30:45,090 --> 00:30:41,400
able to see what the Princeton's seeing

738
00:30:47,730 --> 00:30:45,100
and use its radar and so on and it

739
00:30:49,950 --> 00:30:47,740
allows planes to go passive where

740
00:30:53,310 --> 00:30:49,960
they're not emitting radar energy but

741
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:53,320
still see radar it's being fed to them

742
00:30:57,330 --> 00:30:55,090
through some secure link something like

743
00:30:58,409 --> 00:30:57,340
that that's you know a brief idea he

744
00:31:00,990 --> 00:30:58,419
said that these guys were very

745
00:31:03,930 --> 00:31:01,000
interested in that technology it just so

746
00:31:07,500 --> 00:31:03,940
happens that that same technology was on

747
00:31:10,919 --> 00:31:07,510
the data that was on Patrick's e to

748
00:31:11,430 --> 00:31:10,929
Hawkeye and in this case they are hard

749
00:31:12,570 --> 00:31:11,440
drives to

750
00:31:15,509 --> 00:31:12,580
said that on the YouTube Hawkeye the

751
00:31:17,419 --> 00:31:15,519
what they took he called bricks you're

752
00:31:20,340 --> 00:31:17,429
called removable memory cartridge or

753
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:20,350
removable memory cartridges are our MCS

754
00:31:28,430 --> 00:31:25,450
and they contain communications like

755
00:31:33,810 --> 00:31:28,440
radio communications that they contain

756
00:31:39,029 --> 00:31:33,820
CEC data and they also contain ESM data

757
00:31:44,369 --> 00:31:39,039
which is a sort of RF signal

758
00:31:46,860 --> 00:31:44,379
intelligence sensor that like I guess

759
00:31:49,289 --> 00:31:46,870
focuses on the radio frequencies that

760
00:31:51,899 --> 00:31:49,299
are coming towards the plane and could

761
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:51,909
discern Friend or Foe and it has

762
00:31:56,340 --> 00:31:54,490
signatures that it looks at so it's

763
00:31:57,930 --> 00:31:56,350
looking at the radio spectrum and

764
00:32:00,119 --> 00:31:57,940
recording it it's very interesting

765
00:32:02,759 --> 00:32:00,129
technology especially if it was some

766
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:02,769
weird tic-tac object that was emitting

767
00:32:08,909 --> 00:32:06,370
any kind of RF spectrum stuff so all of

768
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:08,919
that was taken as well so here's two

769
00:32:14,850 --> 00:32:12,250
guys that are corroborating to me the

770
00:32:17,700 --> 00:32:14,860
same type of event of taking stuff and

771
00:32:20,730 --> 00:32:17,710
these guys that showed up now recently a

772
00:32:23,519 --> 00:32:20,740
third gentleman approached me be email

773
00:32:26,580 --> 00:32:23,529
and said hey Dave you know I wanted to

774
00:32:29,999 --> 00:32:26,590
tell you that I was involved with

775
00:32:32,970 --> 00:32:30,009
helicopters that were part of a

776
00:32:35,639 --> 00:32:32,980
detachment on the USS Princeton his name

777
00:32:37,259 --> 00:32:35,649
is Ryan why delt and you know I

778
00:32:39,779 --> 00:32:37,269
conducted an interview with him and

779
00:32:41,970 --> 00:32:39,789
vetted his you know naval may be

780
00:32:45,210 --> 00:32:41,980
background and so on and he was one of

781
00:32:48,060 --> 00:32:45,220
the lead petty officers of the HSL 43

782
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:48,070
battle cats it was a detachment of helic

783
00:32:53,070 --> 00:32:51,610
of sh-60 seahawk helicopters they had

784
00:32:55,860 --> 00:32:53,080
several helicopters I guess two

785
00:32:59,789 --> 00:32:55,870
helicopters on the USS Princeton that he

786
00:33:02,549 --> 00:32:59,799
oversaw as far as maintenance and taking

787
00:33:05,730 --> 00:33:02,559
care of him he wasn't a pilot but he

788
00:33:09,990 --> 00:33:05,740
said that he witnessed these guys these

789
00:33:12,659 --> 00:33:10,000
Navy guys boarding the ship and so on he

790
00:33:14,940 --> 00:33:12,669
went into even more detail in his

791
00:33:17,820 --> 00:33:14,950
account about you know you saw them

792
00:33:19,889 --> 00:33:17,830
carrying these bags with with materials

793
00:33:23,310 --> 00:33:19,899
and they went into the he said the

794
00:33:24,690 --> 00:33:23,320
Admirals quarters on USS Princeton so I

795
00:33:25,260 --> 00:33:24,700
mean the story just keeps kind of

796
00:33:27,300 --> 00:33:25,270
evolving

797
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:27,310
now didn't you say they were plain

798
00:33:34,020 --> 00:33:31,210
clothes you know if that's what Gary

799
00:33:36,450 --> 00:33:34,030
says right this is the first time I

800
00:33:40,500 --> 00:33:36,460
interviewed him he said that they were

801
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:40,510
wearing standard-issue Navy flight suits

802
00:33:44,730 --> 00:33:41,890
like and he said that this would be

803
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:44,740
anybody that's gonna fly board one of

804
00:33:47,730 --> 00:33:46,450
his helicopters the matter if they are

805
00:33:50,790 --> 00:33:47,740
getting aboard helicopter they'd be

806
00:33:52,890 --> 00:33:50,800
giving these just generic sort of flight

807
00:33:55,230 --> 00:33:52,900
suits that are Navy but he said that

808
00:33:56,820 --> 00:33:55,240
underneath the flight suits it was his

809
00:33:59,790 --> 00:33:56,830
opinion that they were Air Force guys

810
00:34:01,500 --> 00:33:59,800
and I and I let me be clear because you

811
00:34:04,020 --> 00:34:01,510
said aboard the Princeton are we talking

812
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:04,030
Princeton or it was notes look at his

813
00:34:09,240 --> 00:34:06,730
his helicopter detachment was on

814
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:09,250
Princeton and I said well do you think

815
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:13,290
that these guys went to Nimitz to get

816
00:34:20,610 --> 00:34:17,770
PJ's data bricks and came back to tear

817
00:34:22,470 --> 00:34:20,620
he's like yes art he goes he goes my my

818
00:34:25,290 --> 00:34:22,480
helicopter squadron was flying these

819
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:25,300
guys around collecting this I mean it

820
00:34:29,310 --> 00:34:27,010
does kind of make sense that it would be

821
00:34:31,159 --> 00:34:29,320
the same two guys that went to the

822
00:34:33,990 --> 00:34:31,169
Nimitz that went to the Princeton but

823
00:34:36,750 --> 00:34:34,000
Garrett by the way PJ and Gary stories

824
00:34:41,430 --> 00:34:36,760
line up its PJ somewhat definitively

825
00:34:45,060 --> 00:34:41,440
saying Air Force air suits and Gary

826
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:45,070
saying polo shirts right there they they

827
00:34:51,389 --> 00:34:48,130
both are very you know you know I guess

828
00:34:53,460 --> 00:34:51,399
sure of themselves but again I mean if

829
00:34:55,020 --> 00:34:53,470
you asked me if what were this guy

830
00:34:56,460 --> 00:34:55,030
wearing fourteen years ago you know I

831
00:34:58,770 --> 00:34:56,470
don't know if I would remember exactly

832
00:35:01,680 --> 00:34:58,780
what I if it wasn't that important to me

833
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:01,690
you know how to do so I mean did it

834
00:35:06,420 --> 00:35:05,050
happen I think that the the taking of

835
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:06,430
the data happened

836
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:09,850
who took it whether it was Air Force or

837
00:35:15,720 --> 00:35:13,050
you know some senior Navy guys or even

838
00:35:18,780 --> 00:35:15,730
you know in a lot of these cases with

839
00:35:21,990 --> 00:35:18,790
some of these sensors and let me just

840
00:35:24,750 --> 00:35:22,000
back up like one step and say you know

841
00:35:26,490 --> 00:35:24,760
you can say that that did not happen but

842
00:35:30,570 --> 00:35:26,500
I always look at it from the perspective

843
00:35:33,030 --> 00:35:30,580
of what if these were industry

844
00:35:35,370 --> 00:35:33,040
representatives or aerospace company

845
00:35:38,220 --> 00:35:35,380
representatives that it was their

846
00:35:39,930 --> 00:35:38,230
equipment that was on these ships and

847
00:35:41,430 --> 00:35:39,940
that

848
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:41,440
they notice anyone else they were just

849
00:35:46,470 --> 00:35:43,450
coming to get some testing data that's

850
00:35:48,180 --> 00:35:46,480
completely unrelated from to UFOs it's

851
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:48,190
just like they're showing up at the same

852
00:35:52,290 --> 00:35:50,770
time and like you know okay hey you know

853
00:35:53,700 --> 00:35:52,300
this equipment we have on your that

854
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:53,710
we're testing on your ship we want to

855
00:35:57,450 --> 00:35:55,450
get the recordings from it because we're

856
00:35:59,880 --> 00:35:57,460
doing some software revisions or

857
00:36:01,980 --> 00:35:59,890
something but to say that these guys are

858
00:36:03,990 --> 00:36:01,990
lying that didn't happen

859
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:04,000
you know well they both pretty

860
00:36:08,790 --> 00:36:06,850
definitively thought for sure it was

861
00:36:11,940 --> 00:36:08,800
getting picked up as a result of what

862
00:36:13,620 --> 00:36:11,950
had been seen so now you've got sounds

863
00:36:15,450 --> 00:36:13,630
like if you put Ryan into this you've

864
00:36:17,700 --> 00:36:15,460
got two out of the three saying it was

865
00:36:21,090 --> 00:36:17,710
Air Force right yeah and I think it's

866
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:21,100
super interesting whether or not it was

867
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:23,890
Air Force because especially in light of

868
00:36:28,290 --> 00:36:25,450
what turbo told us because turbos

869
00:36:31,410 --> 00:36:28,300
telling us definitively this was US Air

870
00:36:34,650 --> 00:36:31,420
Force craft so that would seem to

871
00:36:37,410 --> 00:36:34,660
connect the two because I imagine it's

872
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:37,420
not super common for Air Force to be on

873
00:36:43,110 --> 00:36:40,570
the navy vessels no idea I'm sure it

874
00:36:46,770 --> 00:36:43,120
happens so that that connects those two

875
00:36:48,720 --> 00:36:46,780
stories except the other explanation

876
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:48,730
potentially for Air Force is that

877
00:36:53,130 --> 00:36:50,650
apparently and I forget which one of our

878
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:53,140
which one of those guys told us this but

879
00:36:58,860 --> 00:36:56,290
apparently when there is anything kind

880
00:37:02,430 --> 00:36:58,870
of unusual or unidentified in the skies

881
00:37:05,060 --> 00:37:02,440
that's Air Force domain so if for four

882
00:37:09,210 --> 00:37:05,070
days Navy's been seeing these things and

883
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:09,220
their unidentified etc that for the Air

884
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:11,890
Force to take over whatever

885
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:13,930
investigation there may be of it that

886
00:37:18,270 --> 00:37:15,970
would kind of make sense does that ring

887
00:37:20,060 --> 00:37:18,280
true is what you've heard I I makes me

888
00:37:23,430 --> 00:37:20,070
feel that way I mean you know obviously

889
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:23,440
you could say it's an Air Force advanced

890
00:37:29,340 --> 00:37:26,890
aerospace platform being tested against

891
00:37:31,850 --> 00:37:29,350
the Navy's strike group you know I think

892
00:37:34,470 --> 00:37:31,860
turb are saying that's what this is and

893
00:37:37,020 --> 00:37:34,480
TD Barnes is Wow could say you know this

894
00:37:39,630 --> 00:37:37,030
could be what we're looking at here you

895
00:37:43,470 --> 00:37:39,640
could also say that well perhaps the

896
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:43,480
Navy was unsure of what these tracks

897
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:45,970
were they didn't have iff transponders

898
00:37:51,150 --> 00:37:48,490
they're operating in this military

899
00:37:53,740 --> 00:37:51,160
operations area and perhaps they

900
00:37:55,690 --> 00:37:53,750
contacted the Air Force

901
00:37:59,070 --> 00:37:55,700
you know to find out if they knew

902
00:38:02,230 --> 00:37:59,080
anything about this these these objects

903
00:38:03,940 --> 00:38:02,240
in there was always something to back my

904
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:03,950
mind cuz I remembered somebody had

905
00:38:07,630 --> 00:38:05,570
mentioned this a long time ago and I

906
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:07,640
thought it was flavor maybe basically

907
00:38:11,950 --> 00:38:09,890
what the statement was was yeah during

908
00:38:14,620 --> 00:38:11,960
that week you know the senior commanders

909
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:14,630
couldn't figure this stuff out they even

910
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:17,090
went to the Air Force to ask for help

911
00:38:21,700 --> 00:38:19,130
and I couldn't remember who made that

912
00:38:23,470 --> 00:38:21,710
statement and after reading Tim

913
00:38:27,100 --> 00:38:23,480
McMillan's article and Popular Mechanics

914
00:38:29,530 --> 00:38:27,110
I finally saw the quote in it went back

915
00:38:32,130 --> 00:38:29,540
to 2007 with this guy

916
00:38:35,020 --> 00:38:32,140
this anonymous guy on above top secret

917
00:38:37,990 --> 00:38:35,030
forum called the final theory the guy

918
00:38:40,180 --> 00:38:38,000
that actually leaked the video in 2007

919
00:38:42,490 --> 00:38:40,190
and in his statements you know

920
00:38:45,540 --> 00:38:42,500
describing what this video represented

921
00:38:48,010 --> 00:38:45,550
in this event he said that the Navy

922
00:38:50,350 --> 00:38:48,020
contacted the Air Force for help and

923
00:38:52,660 --> 00:38:50,360
that was the first time that those two

924
00:38:55,870 --> 00:38:52,670
things ever you know came together and

925
00:38:59,620 --> 00:38:55,880
you know in the last couple months I

926
00:39:01,840 --> 00:38:59,630
know that some of the videos were

927
00:39:07,150 --> 00:39:01,850
investigated the leaks were investigated

928
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:07,160
by the air forces up you know OSI right

929
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:09,290
the Office of Special Investigation of

930
00:39:15,370 --> 00:39:12,290
the Air Force so they looked at some of

931
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:15,380
the leaks of the Navy videos and it's

932
00:39:20,770 --> 00:39:17,810
sort of odd from what I understand from

933
00:39:23,230 --> 00:39:20,780
the freedom of informations that were

934
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:23,240
done it wasn't a Nimitz won but they did

935
00:39:33,070 --> 00:39:29,410
a AFOs I looked at the week of the 2015

936
00:39:35,980 --> 00:39:33,080
videos gimbal and go fast which kind of

937
00:39:43,540 --> 00:39:38,349
what about gimbal and go fast have you

938
00:39:45,490 --> 00:39:43,550
been digging into those also you know we

939
00:39:46,390 --> 00:39:45,500
did look at it I mean going back to the

940
00:39:48,370 --> 00:39:46,400
beginning when they were first released

941
00:39:50,650 --> 00:39:48,380
the first thing that we wanted to know

942
00:39:53,620 --> 00:39:50,660
was where did these videos come from

943
00:39:56,410 --> 00:39:53,630
what you know what what do they

944
00:39:59,710 --> 00:39:56,420
represent we're in back in 28th in the

945
00:40:02,170 --> 00:39:59,720
beginning of 2018 no one knew to the

946
00:40:04,570 --> 00:40:02,180
Stars was tight-lipped about it none of

947
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:04,580
the reports mentioned anything about

948
00:40:08,980 --> 00:40:07,010
where I think and then little

949
00:40:12,580 --> 00:40:08,990
dribbles of information came out said

950
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:12,590
okay this was on the East Coast they

951
00:40:16,750 --> 00:40:14,090
would say okay this was from the East

952
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:16,760
Coast that was you all a little bit more

953
00:40:22,990 --> 00:40:19,610
and more information came out a bunch of

954
00:40:25,720 --> 00:40:23,000
researchers in myself included started

955
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:25,730
looking at all of the evidence of where

956
00:40:31,150 --> 00:40:27,650
a carrier strike group might have been

957
00:40:33,580 --> 00:40:31,160
off the East Coast in 2015 because we

958
00:40:35,110 --> 00:40:33,590
found out that was the year so we had

959
00:40:36,550 --> 00:40:35,120
the year in the East Coast and we

960
00:40:40,720 --> 00:40:36,560
started narrowing it down we eventually

961
00:40:42,850 --> 00:40:40,730
found the USS Roosevelt Carrier Strike

962
00:40:46,030 --> 00:40:42,860
Group off the coast the East Coast and

963
00:40:48,310 --> 00:40:46,040
we were looking at all the evidence in

964
00:40:50,860 --> 00:40:48,320
the videos including the wind speeds

965
00:40:52,780 --> 00:40:50,870
aloft I think the guy said this the

966
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:52,790
winds were 120 out of the East or

967
00:40:56,710 --> 00:40:54,890
something like that and he's at 20,000

968
00:40:58,240 --> 00:40:56,720
feet so we started putting that into the

969
00:41:01,390 --> 00:40:58,250
weather soundings of weather balloons

970
00:41:03,010 --> 00:41:01,400
for the entire year and the weather

971
00:41:05,020 --> 00:41:03,020
patterns of the clouds and the whole

972
00:41:08,710 --> 00:41:05,030
thing we actually narrowed it down to

973
00:41:10,630 --> 00:41:08,720
within like a week of you know and so

974
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:10,640
then I got a I got a Freedom of

975
00:41:20,020 --> 00:41:15,290
Information out for the cruiser which

976
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:20,030
was the Normandie USS Normandy and so I

977
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:22,850
put a I kind of threw a net out there

978
00:41:28,450 --> 00:41:24,850
and I said this two-month period between

979
00:41:31,210 --> 00:41:28,460
January and February 2015 and so I got

980
00:41:33,460 --> 00:41:31,220
the deck log released to me of the

981
00:41:35,470 --> 00:41:33,470
cruiser now unfortunately it doesn't

982
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:35,480
mention anything about UFOs but it does

983
00:41:42,970 --> 00:41:39,290
have a latitude longitude position of

984
00:41:45,610 --> 00:41:42,980
where it's at so using that data we were

985
00:41:47,260 --> 00:41:45,620
able to figure out where where the the

986
00:41:48,790 --> 00:41:47,270
thing took place and you know it was

987
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:48,800
actually kind of off the coast of

988
00:41:52,570 --> 00:41:51,050
Georgia if you go straight off the

989
00:41:54,100 --> 00:41:52,580
course coast of Georgia and maybe a

990
00:41:56,890 --> 00:41:54,110
hundred miles off the coast that's where

991
00:41:57,970 --> 00:41:56,900
I believe that happened

992
00:42:00,430 --> 00:41:57,980
now that doesn't show where the

993
00:42:03,250 --> 00:42:00,440
airplanes were but the cruisers normally

994
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:03,260
about a mile from the carrier during you

995
00:42:07,990 --> 00:42:05,090
know workups and so on have there been

996
00:42:11,740 --> 00:42:08,000
for you requests to the Navy about those

997
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:11,750
incidents yeah I mean there have I I

998
00:42:16,270 --> 00:42:13,490
know that a lot of the researchers have

999
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:16,280
been trying to get the logs of those

1000
00:42:19,990 --> 00:42:19,010
ships and any any kind of data so far

1001
00:42:23,020 --> 00:42:20,000
it's been

1002
00:42:25,420 --> 00:42:23,030
very sparse specifically I think it's so

1003
00:42:28,570 --> 00:42:25,430
new that a lot of it's classified a lot

1004
00:42:31,930 --> 00:42:28,580
of the documents are not released you

1005
00:42:35,530 --> 00:42:31,940
know like the summaries of the aircraft

1006
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:35,540
logs and the communications and so on we

1007
00:42:41,980 --> 00:42:38,090
we tried to get just the deck logs are

1008
00:42:44,859 --> 00:42:41,990
the most prosaic sort of you know what

1009
00:42:46,990 --> 00:42:44,869
time they turn the lights on what speed

1010
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:47,000
direction the ship is going it so we try

1011
00:42:49,900 --> 00:42:48,410
to get the deck logs of the ship and

1012
00:42:52,660 --> 00:42:49,910
they wouldn't release those they said

1013
00:42:55,300 --> 00:42:52,670
that because it's a nuclear aircraft

1014
00:42:57,730 --> 00:42:55,310
carrier that Department and naval

1015
00:42:59,440 --> 00:42:57,740
reactors has say over what is released

1016
00:43:00,970 --> 00:42:59,450
and they wouldn't release the deck logs

1017
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:00,980
of the USS Roosevelt

1018
00:43:05,950 --> 00:43:02,930
what about like pilot do we have pilot

1019
00:43:09,599 --> 00:43:05,960
names from those incidents well we do

1020
00:43:12,310 --> 00:43:09,609
from the New York Times and that

1021
00:43:15,580 --> 00:43:12,320
television show that GTS a produce

1022
00:43:18,010 --> 00:43:15,590
called unidentified they have two of the

1023
00:43:19,570 --> 00:43:18,020
pilots that were involved and then they

1024
00:43:21,700 --> 00:43:19,580
say that they knew the other ones I

1025
00:43:23,980 --> 00:43:21,710
guess is lieutenant graves and

1026
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:23,990
Lieutenant Aucoin or two of the guys

1027
00:43:29,410 --> 00:43:27,410
that were involved in their friends

1028
00:43:31,870 --> 00:43:29,420
allegedly were the people in the in the

1029
00:43:33,460 --> 00:43:31,880
cockpit to film those two videos they

1030
00:43:35,829 --> 00:43:33,470
didn't do it themselves from my

1031
00:43:37,870 --> 00:43:35,839
understanding but they know the guys and

1032
00:43:40,390 --> 00:43:37,880
that those guys so far had not wanted to

1033
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:40,400
come forward but sorry the other two are

1034
00:43:47,349 --> 00:43:44,810
on record saying they saw I think that

1035
00:43:49,660 --> 00:43:47,359
they were present for these events but

1036
00:43:52,180 --> 00:43:49,670
they they weren't present for the events

1037
00:43:53,500 --> 00:43:52,190
that you know again I these details are

1038
00:43:54,790 --> 00:43:53,510
a little sketchy it's not the case and

1039
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:54,800
I'm really following so much but I know

1040
00:43:59,589 --> 00:43:56,810
that they were there and that this stuff

1041
00:44:01,480 --> 00:43:59,599
was happening like the entire time they

1042
00:44:03,579 --> 00:44:01,490
were seeing and went on for a period of

1043
00:44:04,780 --> 00:44:03,589
several years where they're they and

1044
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:04,790
their friends would encounter these

1045
00:44:10,690 --> 00:44:08,690
objects off the east coast and do you

1046
00:44:14,530 --> 00:44:10,700
have I mean obviously they're very

1047
00:44:17,290 --> 00:44:14,540
similar to what was seen and recorded

1048
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:17,300
off the Nimitz do you have any reason to

1049
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:18,890
believe that what they saw was anything

1050
00:44:22,930 --> 00:44:20,810
different than what was seen off the

1051
00:44:26,380 --> 00:44:22,940
Nimitz and I'm asking that because turbo

1052
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:26,390
actually claims that they are slightly

1053
00:44:33,650 --> 00:44:29,930
different technologies yeah I mean the

1054
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:33,660
descriptions are vastly different

1055
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:35,970
structurally to the you know in the

1056
00:44:39,589 --> 00:44:38,130
video that we have gimbal looks like

1057
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:39,599
some type of spinning top and they

1058
00:44:43,309 --> 00:44:41,490
talked about the spinning top and the

1059
00:44:45,140 --> 00:44:43,319
go-fast that looks like a little sphere

1060
00:44:47,779 --> 00:44:45,150
and actually these two pilots say that's

1061
00:44:50,089 --> 00:44:47,789
kind of what these things look like

1062
00:44:52,370 --> 00:44:50,099
the thing that is interesting is those

1063
00:44:53,990 --> 00:44:52,380
two videos according to what my

1064
00:44:57,890 --> 00:44:54,000
understanding were filmed on the same

1065
00:45:00,079 --> 00:44:57,900
day which I think it was January 20th

1066
00:45:02,660 --> 00:45:00,089
2015 something like that I may have the

1067
00:45:04,220 --> 00:45:02,670
day day or two off but that those two

1068
00:45:06,319 --> 00:45:04,230
videos were both filmed on the same day

1069
00:45:08,990 --> 00:45:06,329
now lieutenant

1070
00:45:11,750 --> 00:45:09,000
graves one of the f-18 Super Hornet

1071
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:11,760
pilots from the USS Roosevelt says that

1072
00:45:14,930 --> 00:45:13,770
what actually curved we should see a

1073
00:45:16,730 --> 00:45:14,940
little piece of that video but what

1074
00:45:18,890 --> 00:45:16,740
actually occurred was that there was a

1075
00:45:20,779 --> 00:45:18,900
whole formation of these little objects

1076
00:45:24,890 --> 00:45:20,789
like a V he describes it as a V

1077
00:45:27,349 --> 00:45:24,900
formation with this spinning top thing

1078
00:45:29,660 --> 00:45:27,359
in the middle of that and that they were

1079
00:45:31,430 --> 00:45:29,670
they were following the spinning the

1080
00:45:34,220 --> 00:45:31,440
spinning top thing and that it actually

1081
00:45:36,859 --> 00:45:34,230
did a 180 degree turn in formation and

1082
00:45:39,109 --> 00:45:36,869
that the video that we have is of like

1083
00:45:41,630 --> 00:45:39,119
one of these little sphere things and

1084
00:45:43,789 --> 00:45:41,640
then this spinning top so it looks

1085
00:45:46,940 --> 00:45:43,799
different than the tic-tac obviously

1086
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:46,950
it's not a cylinder and they go on to

1087
00:45:51,710 --> 00:45:48,690
describe these other objects with it I

1088
00:45:54,769 --> 00:45:51,720
think it was it's like a cube inside of

1089
00:45:58,460 --> 00:45:54,779
a sphere I mean that's another detailed

1090
00:46:01,450 --> 00:45:58,470
description they give but exhibiting the

1091
00:46:04,579 --> 00:46:01,460
same properties defying gravity

1092
00:46:09,109 --> 00:46:04,589
supersonic speeds no visible means

1093
00:46:12,230 --> 00:46:09,119
propulsion no you know control surfaces

1094
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:12,240
no plume right which could you had a

1095
00:46:16,819 --> 00:46:14,010
theory that there has been this

1096
00:46:20,089 --> 00:46:16,829
breakthrough discovery of gravity

1097
00:46:23,510 --> 00:46:20,099
defying technologies and that is it has

1098
00:46:26,930 --> 00:46:23,520
been perfected through the US government

1099
00:46:29,569 --> 00:46:26,940
through multiple private contractors so

1100
00:46:30,740 --> 00:46:29,579
Raytheon may have built one and Lockheed

1101
00:46:33,620 --> 00:46:30,750
may have built the other they're both

1102
00:46:35,809 --> 00:46:33,630
using the same technology but the

1103
00:46:39,079 --> 00:46:35,819
implementation is a little bit different

1104
00:46:42,109 --> 00:46:39,089
well I mean you get all my friends on

1105
00:46:45,260 --> 00:46:42,119
your show and aviation historian and

1106
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:45,270
researcher Nick cook who I'd met like a

1107
00:46:47,510 --> 00:46:47,130
couple years ago I was fascinated by

1108
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:47,520
what

1109
00:46:51,430 --> 00:46:49,650
and you know his book is specifically

1110
00:46:54,110 --> 00:46:51,440
you know he wrote a decade or so ago

1111
00:46:56,870 --> 00:46:54,120
looking at that as an aviation

1112
00:46:59,510 --> 00:46:56,880
journalist you know he was following

1113
00:47:01,730 --> 00:46:59,520
this trail for a long time in from my

1114
00:47:02,450 --> 00:47:01,740
understanding Nick said he doesn't

1115
00:47:05,300 --> 00:47:02,460
believe it

1116
00:47:08,210 --> 00:47:05,310
he just can't connect that dot from

1117
00:47:11,180 --> 00:47:08,220
where we were in conventional aerospace

1118
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:11,190
technology to that we've cracked that

1119
00:47:17,870 --> 00:47:14,010
secret one from what he was able to

1120
00:47:20,510 --> 00:47:17,880
learn as to where we were right right

1121
00:47:22,190 --> 00:47:20,520
because I'm still I'm with you but you

1122
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:22,200
know then I learned about these black

1123
00:47:26,300 --> 00:47:23,970
projects and and the 30 billion dollars

1124
00:47:28,430 --> 00:47:26,310
per year that's being spent on them so

1125
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:28,440
on and what I've been surprised by

1126
00:47:34,670 --> 00:47:30,930
through our investigation is people

1127
00:47:36,740 --> 00:47:34,680
bring into my attention various projects

1128
00:47:40,370 --> 00:47:36,750
in US military history that were in fact

1129
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:40,380
kept secret for dozens of years yeah I

1130
00:47:44,570 --> 00:47:43,050
mean you know in his book one of the

1131
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:44,580
things when he visits Lockheed one of

1132
00:47:48,500 --> 00:47:45,930
the last things before he walks out the

1133
00:47:51,530 --> 00:47:48,510
doors he notices on a whiteboard the

1134
00:47:54,050 --> 00:47:51,540
word Astra written at the top and then

1135
00:47:56,450 --> 00:47:54,060
he recalled that it was April 1st and

1136
00:47:59,960 --> 00:47:56,460
aha you know these guys are just messing

1137
00:48:01,490 --> 00:47:59,970
with me you know that the Astrid you

1138
00:48:04,610 --> 00:48:01,500
know is a real project or something like

1139
00:48:06,380 --> 00:48:04,620
that but I mean obviously that's a topic

1140
00:48:09,460 --> 00:48:06,390
that's been going around for a while

1141
00:48:12,710 --> 00:48:09,470
that this tr-3b Astra this

1142
00:48:16,330 --> 00:48:12,720
triangular-shaped craft that has some

1143
00:48:20,720 --> 00:48:16,340
type of AG properties is a real device I

1144
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:20,730
have no clue but yeah but but serious

1145
00:48:23,720 --> 00:48:22,290
studies of it I haven't read his book

1146
00:48:25,670 --> 00:48:23,730
but as you know we interviewed him and

1147
00:48:27,770 --> 00:48:25,680
and there's some pretty serious people

1148
00:48:30,140 --> 00:48:27,780
that were investigating this and it's

1149
00:48:32,210 --> 00:48:30,150
going back now I think he says started

1150
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:32,220
with some Nazi experiments right yeah

1151
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:35,010
yeah I mean that's I mean he went and

1152
00:48:39,710 --> 00:48:37,530
said well maybe some of this technology

1153
00:48:41,210 --> 00:48:39,720
was discovered after World War two and

1154
00:48:44,810 --> 00:48:41,220
the Germans actually had this

1155
00:48:46,940 --> 00:48:44,820
breakthrough technology you know he

1156
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:46,950
didn't find anything although some of

1157
00:48:49,850 --> 00:48:48,690
its sort of interesting you know the

1158
00:48:52,340 --> 00:48:49,860
henge

1159
00:48:54,740 --> 00:48:52,350
you know up there near Poland the Polish

1160
00:48:55,790 --> 00:48:54,750
border with this underground mind and

1161
00:48:58,700 --> 00:48:55,800
they thought that's this thing called

1162
00:49:01,080 --> 00:48:58,710
the Ballard o'clock was there but it's

1163
00:49:03,570 --> 00:49:01,090
all sort of rumor and conjecture and

1164
00:49:07,230 --> 00:49:03,580
not a lot of evidence other than you

1165
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:07,240
know tales about it some of the advanced

1166
00:49:11,490 --> 00:49:09,850
aerospace guys in Germany I did a

1167
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:11,500
documentary about the Horton brothers

1168
00:49:16,830 --> 00:49:13,210
that actually developed these all winged

1169
00:49:21,050 --> 00:49:16,840
fighters and prototype bombers that went

1170
00:49:24,390 --> 00:49:21,060
on to look very similar to conventional

1171
00:49:25,980 --> 00:49:24,400
aircraft or sort of an unconventional

1172
00:49:29,070 --> 00:49:25,990
aircraft that were developed here in the

1173
00:49:30,690 --> 00:49:29,080
50 40s and 50s by Lockheed and some of

1174
00:49:33,750 --> 00:49:30,700
the other aerospace companies that were

1175
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:33,760
these all winged flying wing and of

1176
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:35,050
course now we have the stealth fighter

1177
00:49:40,140 --> 00:49:38,290
the b2 and so on that you know I think

1178
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:40,150
that looks like a direct lineage from

1179
00:49:44,730 --> 00:49:43,210
these the Horton brothers you know in

1180
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:44,740
Germany post-world War two

1181
00:49:49,860 --> 00:49:47,890
so whatever it is it's gonna be

1182
00:49:52,500 --> 00:49:49,870
incredible if and when we find out about

1183
00:49:55,380 --> 00:49:52,510
it so we might find it incredible that

1184
00:49:57,270 --> 00:49:55,390
it could been developed by the US but

1185
00:49:58,890 --> 00:49:57,280
it's gonna be just as incredible if it

1186
00:50:01,770 --> 00:49:58,900
turns out that it's extraterrestrial or

1187
00:50:04,950 --> 00:50:01,780
some type of spoofing technology or what

1188
00:50:06,660 --> 00:50:04,960
have you I mean it's it's an incredible

1189
00:50:08,610 --> 00:50:06,670
mystery it's like one of the most

1190
00:50:11,070 --> 00:50:08,620
intriguing mysteries that I've ever

1191
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:11,080
encountered and when you have so many

1192
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:12,850
witnesses to these Navy

1193
00:50:20,130 --> 00:50:15,970
you know experiences and events from

1194
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:20,140
2004 and 2015 you know it could the

1195
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:22,930
story keeps evolving and it hasn't been

1196
00:50:27,630 --> 00:50:24,450
the ending hasn't been written yet

1197
00:50:30,150 --> 00:50:27,640
people continue to email me to say that

1198
00:50:32,610 --> 00:50:30,160
they have evidence um you know from both

1199
00:50:34,470 --> 00:50:32,620
events and it's it's sometimes difficult

1200
00:50:36,540 --> 00:50:34,480
to sort through what comes through

1201
00:50:37,740 --> 00:50:36,550
because I get emails you know people

1202
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:37,750
saying that it's you know definitely

1203
00:50:43,500 --> 00:50:40,570
there is Zeta Reticuli that are you know

1204
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:43,510
communicating with this some type of you

1205
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:48,130
know transdimensional you know white

1206
00:50:52,980 --> 00:50:50,050
ship or something but then you know you

1207
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:52,990
also had people that say that this is

1208
00:50:57,960 --> 00:50:55,210
secret you know US military technology

1209
00:51:00,150 --> 00:50:57,970
as well and I haven't I mean I'm I'm

1210
00:51:03,180 --> 00:51:00,160
always looking at the evidence I haven't

1211
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:03,190
come to any kind of conclusion which i

1212
00:51:07,290 --> 00:51:05,410
think is the best stance to take and any

1213
00:51:10,290 --> 00:51:07,300
of this stuff because the US Navy says

1214
00:51:14,070 --> 00:51:10,300
this stuff is these are you know you ap

1215
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:14,080
right that means they don't know if it

1216
00:51:18,420 --> 00:51:15,010
was US tech now

1217
00:51:22,500 --> 00:51:18,430
does it make sense to you how the

1218
00:51:25,530 --> 00:51:22,510
military has been utilizing it thus far

1219
00:51:29,220 --> 00:51:25,540
I mean we know at a minimum it's been

1220
00:51:31,109 --> 00:51:29,230
around since for probably earlier than

1221
00:51:34,500 --> 00:51:31,119
that so that means you know they've had

1222
00:51:38,340 --> 00:51:34,510
it for a couple decades yet haven't put

1223
00:51:40,740 --> 00:51:38,350
it to any public use that we know of

1224
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:40,750
well I mean consider the conundrum of

1225
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:43,810
having a secret weapon that's so secret

1226
00:51:48,750 --> 00:51:46,810
that you cannot use it so you sit on it

1227
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:48,760
and you say how many lives could have

1228
00:51:52,859 --> 00:51:50,530
been saved if we had the secret weapon

1229
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:52,869
that's so remarkable that we could

1230
00:51:57,599 --> 00:51:54,970
defeat pretty much any aircraft that's

1231
00:51:59,250 --> 00:51:57,609
flying in the skies and then you also

1232
00:52:02,520 --> 00:51:59,260
then you also look at it from the

1233
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:02,530
perspective ok so say it's it's they do

1234
00:52:08,510 --> 00:52:05,890
have this but what about the the

1235
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:08,520
commercial aviation industry and we're

1236
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:10,330
polluting our planet with greenhouse

1237
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:13,210
gases and we're sitting on these huge

1238
00:52:19,830 --> 00:52:17,410
you know gas guzzling aircraft for 14 or

1239
00:52:22,260 --> 00:52:19,840
15 hours flying from point A to point B

1240
00:52:24,349 --> 00:52:22,270
when we could have solved a lot of this

1241
00:52:27,810 --> 00:52:24,359
problem if we did have this

1242
00:52:30,599 --> 00:52:27,820
revolutionary paradigm changing aviation

1243
00:52:31,950 --> 00:52:30,609
you know anti-gravity stuff I mean I

1244
00:52:34,859 --> 00:52:31,960
would hate to think that they actually

1245
00:52:36,090 --> 00:52:34,869
had it they're not sharing it you know

1246
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:36,100
to save our planet

1247
00:52:41,940 --> 00:52:38,650
yeah well altum Utley it would have to

1248
00:52:46,170 --> 00:52:41,950
be someone's decision to make this

1249
00:52:48,810 --> 00:52:46,180
public right right so who does that rest

1250
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:48,820
with ultimately is it the commander in

1251
00:52:56,220 --> 00:52:54,010
chief and now yeah I mean yeah you think

1252
00:52:59,130 --> 00:52:56,230
of all the jobs you'd kill think of all

1253
00:53:01,170 --> 00:52:59,140
the industries you would kill I can see

1254
00:53:03,300 --> 00:53:01,180
that that it could be a big problem if

1255
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:03,310
you if somebody suddenly discovered the

1256
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:06,850
secret to anti-gravity done cheaply well

1257
00:53:12,420 --> 00:53:08,650
and some type of incredible new type of

1258
00:53:14,820 --> 00:53:12,430
power generator that's nuclear based yet

1259
00:53:19,020 --> 00:53:14,830
is able to operate at room temperature

1260
00:53:21,359 --> 00:53:19,030
etc right right I mean you know think of

1261
00:53:23,790 --> 00:53:21,369
all the problems that you know cube arms

1262
00:53:25,349 --> 00:53:23,800
talk about that nuclear rocket they

1263
00:53:27,660 --> 00:53:25,359
couldn't use it because it was too

1264
00:53:28,859 --> 00:53:27,670
dangerous I mean it's spewing out

1265
00:53:31,499 --> 00:53:28,869
radioactive

1266
00:53:34,380 --> 00:53:31,509
you know every time they fire it up so

1267
00:53:36,509 --> 00:53:34,390
anything that's nuclear even if it's a

1268
00:53:39,089 --> 00:53:36,519
small device like it's some type of

1269
00:53:41,220 --> 00:53:39,099
micro nuclear power source if the thing

1270
00:53:43,950 --> 00:53:41,230
ever crashed and you know ball flames I

1271
00:53:46,109 --> 00:53:43,960
mean now you have a fallout situation

1272
00:53:47,309 --> 00:53:46,119
wherever that happened it could so

1273
00:53:50,670 --> 00:53:47,319
there's always going to be a problem

1274
00:53:53,039 --> 00:53:50,680
with releasing that if it's if it does

1275
00:53:54,630 --> 00:53:53,049
have a potential of a safety concern

1276
00:53:56,099 --> 00:53:54,640
with nuclear energy

1277
00:53:58,710 --> 00:53:56,109
so yeah you probably would have all

1278
00:54:01,499 --> 00:53:58,720
kinds of internal disputes as to how to

1279
00:54:04,559 --> 00:54:01,509
perfect this which company is going to

1280
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:04,569
get the ultimate contract for this what

1281
00:54:09,809 --> 00:54:07,690
exactly are we going to use it for is it

1282
00:54:13,259 --> 00:54:09,819
gonna be for commercial purposes energy

1283
00:54:15,329 --> 00:54:13,269
purposes military purposes and then I do

1284
00:54:18,390 --> 00:54:15,339
think it probably would it be up to the

1285
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:18,400
commander-in-chief to decide that and to

1286
00:54:22,890 --> 00:54:19,690
go public with it so now you've got

1287
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:22,900
politics involved because a president is

1288
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:26,170
hearing about it so let's say let's say

1289
00:54:29,970 --> 00:54:27,970
you've had three presidents now that are

1290
00:54:32,130 --> 00:54:29,980
more you know yet Bush then you got

1291
00:54:37,620 --> 00:54:32,140
Obama now you got Trump learning about

1292
00:54:39,809 --> 00:54:37,630
this probably hey great to know but hey

1293
00:54:41,700 --> 00:54:39,819
give me some more reports as to how you

1294
00:54:43,319 --> 00:54:41,710
suggest we release this information what

1295
00:54:45,539 --> 00:54:43,329
am your gonna want all kinds of impact

1296
00:54:47,430 --> 00:54:45,549
reports as to what about this this this

1297
00:54:50,579 --> 00:54:47,440
this and this and at the end of the day

1298
00:54:52,620 --> 00:54:50,589
you're gonna think yourself well I could

1299
00:54:54,390 --> 00:54:52,630
try to I could go public with it but

1300
00:54:57,059 --> 00:54:54,400
what really do I have at this particular

1301
00:55:00,210 --> 00:54:57,069
moment to gain we're not as opposed to

1302
00:55:02,489 --> 00:55:00,220
the atomic bomb in World War two where

1303
00:55:04,789 --> 00:55:02,499
you have an exigent circumstance right

1304
00:55:07,979 --> 00:55:04,799
you have millions of people being killed

1305
00:55:10,710 --> 00:55:07,989
you you've got the domestic us being

1306
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:10,720
threatened and you've come up with this

1307
00:55:15,390 --> 00:55:13,690
incredible technology you'd say hey this

1308
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:15,400
isn't time to be sitting on this this is

1309
00:55:20,329 --> 00:55:18,249
time to use this we don't have that type

1310
00:55:22,529 --> 00:55:20,339
of a circumstance going on right now

1311
00:55:24,749 --> 00:55:22,539
right that's correct I mean if you look

1312
00:55:26,759 --> 00:55:24,759
at the use of you know the atomic bomb

1313
00:55:30,259 --> 00:55:26,769
in Japan I think that there was

1314
00:55:32,339 --> 00:55:30,269
estimates of probably a million u.s.

1315
00:55:35,069 --> 00:55:32,349
servicemembers would have lost their

1316
00:55:37,229 --> 00:55:35,079
lives if they had pursued that campaign

1317
00:55:39,799 --> 00:55:37,239
past Okinawa if that should continue to

1318
00:55:42,940 --> 00:55:39,809
the Japanese homeland

1319
00:55:45,370 --> 00:55:42,950
so you know I mean there there are

1320
00:55:48,730 --> 00:55:45,380
those types of technologies that were

1321
00:55:52,349 --> 00:55:48,740
held in secret then and until they were

1322
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:52,359
used I don't think anyone in the world

1323
00:55:56,829 --> 00:55:55,130
except for a small group of people in

1324
00:55:59,829 --> 00:55:56,839
that project knew that of the existence

1325
00:56:01,599 --> 00:55:59,839
of that so is it possible that we had

1326
00:56:04,150 --> 00:56:01,609
done the same type of thing now with

1327
00:56:07,150 --> 00:56:04,160
this technology and fared in a way into

1328
00:56:11,530 --> 00:56:07,160
you know the Atomic Energy Commission

1329
00:56:13,390 --> 00:56:11,540
and or the you know the back then which

1330
00:56:16,660 --> 00:56:13,400
you know some people say that's where

1331
00:56:19,270 --> 00:56:16,670
this stuff is that it's you know one of

1332
00:56:22,240 --> 00:56:19,280
the most secret you know organizations

1333
00:56:25,660 --> 00:56:22,250
there is so it's way exempt you can't

1334
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:25,670
even get inside any of that you know

1335
00:56:29,829 --> 00:56:28,130
well one of the things that I think

1336
00:56:33,010 --> 00:56:29,839
about here's here's another part of the

1337
00:56:36,819 --> 00:56:33,020
the Navy encounters aside from what we

1338
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:36,829
do know there's got to be some really

1339
00:56:44,020 --> 00:56:41,210
good radar data and the cec you know

1340
00:56:46,780 --> 00:56:44,030
that stuff exists what does that show

1341
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:46,790
because you know you can you can say

1342
00:56:52,930 --> 00:56:50,690
well it was Kevin describes it but

1343
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:52,940
doesn't the government have that I mean

1344
00:56:56,290 --> 00:56:54,770
I hopefully they didn't just erase all

1345
00:56:57,880 --> 00:56:56,300
of that information you know because

1346
00:56:59,290 --> 00:56:57,890
they didn't need it anymore and two

1347
00:57:01,270 --> 00:56:59,300
years were out then they don't have to

1348
00:57:03,819 --> 00:57:01,280
keep it so they just erased it off you

1349
00:57:05,859 --> 00:57:03,829
would imagine that that data's exist

1350
00:57:07,599 --> 00:57:05,869
somewhere and all the intervening years

1351
00:57:10,420 --> 00:57:07,609
any of this stuff that has continued to

1352
00:57:12,460 --> 00:57:10,430
go on very high-resolution data should

1353
00:57:15,550 --> 00:57:12,470
exist along with the pilot statements

1354
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:15,560
along with visual and cameras I mean

1355
00:57:22,150 --> 00:57:19,730
hopefully that if it's not our advanced

1356
00:57:24,609 --> 00:57:22,160
technology that they're very very

1357
00:57:27,370 --> 00:57:24,619
concerned with what this radar is

1358
00:57:30,430 --> 00:57:27,380
showing these things doing if flavor you

1359
00:57:33,190 --> 00:57:30,440
know says it it went hypersonic and he

1360
00:57:36,940 --> 00:57:33,200
saw it with his I liked going faster

1361
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:36,950
than any airplane can go the radar

1362
00:57:40,690 --> 00:57:39,410
should have picked that up or you see

1363
00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:40,700
what I'm saying yeah there's some very

1364
00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:43,130
compelling evidence there with you know

1365
00:57:46,660 --> 00:57:45,170
five ships with radar and all these

1366
00:57:49,450 --> 00:57:46,670
planes and they II - and they're all

1367
00:57:51,670 --> 00:57:49,460
like focusing on it so last couple

1368
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:51,680
questions the what people are talking

1369
00:57:54,700 --> 00:57:53,210
about the ten minute video that's a much

1370
00:57:56,740 --> 00:57:54,710
better quality you think we're ever

1371
00:58:00,520 --> 00:57:56,750
gonna see that

1372
00:58:03,490 --> 00:58:00,530
um I don't know that it exists I mean

1373
00:58:06,730 --> 00:58:03,500
from my understanding mmm

1374
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:06,740
that videotape that Chad Underwood

1375
00:58:12,870 --> 00:58:09,610
filmed in the second flight of the black

1376
00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:12,880
aces fast Eagle you know like went out

1377
00:58:19,270 --> 00:58:15,650
he says that their standard operating

1378
00:58:21,220 --> 00:58:19,280
procedure was to turn on recording as

1379
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:21,230
soon as they begin the intercept so he

1380
00:58:26,310 --> 00:58:24,530
said fights on tapes on so according to

1381
00:58:30,490 --> 00:58:26,320
him there was a longer tape so when they

1382
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:30,500
landed on nimitz allegedly this tape was

1383
00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:33,410
taken to the intel center and these guys

1384
00:58:38,470 --> 00:58:36,530
would make copies of it and is there a

1385
00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:38,480
longer tape was there ever one in

1386
00:58:43,870 --> 00:58:41,170
existence I believe there was did they

1387
00:58:45,910 --> 00:58:43,880
edit it down for some reason they take

1388
00:58:49,540 --> 00:58:45,920
one little piece that was more

1389
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:49,550
releasable did the final theory only

1390
00:58:57,040 --> 00:58:53,810
take that I mean I think that that piece

1391
00:58:59,350 --> 00:58:57,050
was released on the ship's secret land

1392
00:59:01,030 --> 00:58:59,360
that's the piece that went around to

1393
00:59:03,190 --> 00:59:01,040
everybody saw it on the ships that had

1394
00:59:04,630 --> 00:59:03,200
access to that somebody leaked that out

1395
00:59:07,210 --> 00:59:04,640
and that's the piece that we have today

1396
00:59:09,430 --> 00:59:07,220
the same of a piece is there a longer

1397
00:59:11,140 --> 00:59:09,440
one if there is it's gonna probably be

1398
00:59:16,180 --> 00:59:11,150
in the same place with the

1399
00:59:18,670 --> 00:59:16,190
communications the radar the CEC if it's

1400
00:59:20,500 --> 00:59:18,680
there maybe in the in the FOIA request

1401
00:59:21,790 --> 00:59:20,510
that was we all learned about recently

1402
00:59:24,970 --> 00:59:21,800
their response they talked about an

1403
00:59:26,950 --> 00:59:24,980
additional video right I mean but if you

1404
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:26,960
look at that document it could be the

1405
00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:31,970
same video in fact when the the next

1406
00:59:37,270 --> 00:59:35,090
question went to this Susan go the DoD

1407
00:59:40,300 --> 00:59:37,280
spokesperson it's kind of handling this

1408
00:59:43,090 --> 00:59:40,310
stuff she said that yes the Navy does

1409
00:59:45,100 --> 00:59:43,100
have this video but it's the same length

1410
00:59:47,950 --> 00:59:45,110
as the one that you have been it has

1411
00:59:50,470 --> 00:59:47,960
been in circulation so it's my personal

1412
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:50,480
belief that in that FOIA that just came

1413
00:59:55,930 --> 00:59:53,330
out about the top-secret slide

1414
00:59:57,820 --> 00:59:55,940
presentation and this video that it may

1415
01:00:00,070 --> 00:59:57,830
be the same one we have and that slide

1416
01:00:02,980 --> 01:00:00,080
presentation do you have any information

1417
01:00:04,390 --> 01:00:02,990
as to when that presentation was given

1418
01:00:09,130 --> 01:00:04,400
in to whom mm-hmm

1419
01:00:10,660 --> 01:00:09,140
I don't but one more correlation with

1420
01:00:12,370 --> 01:00:10,670
the the Guyana above

1421
01:00:15,130 --> 01:00:12,380
top secret he was the one that mentioned

1422
01:00:17,470 --> 01:00:15,140
the air force back in 2007 in these post

1423
01:00:20,980 --> 01:00:17,480
he was writing in the same you know the

1424
01:00:23,620 --> 01:00:20,990
same type of commentary on above top

1425
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:23,630
secret he mentioned that there was the

1426
01:00:29,890 --> 01:00:26,810
the files that he had was a PowerPoint

1427
01:00:30,850 --> 01:00:29,900
slide presentation this video that was

1428
01:00:32,830 --> 01:00:30,860
released

1429
01:00:35,230 --> 01:00:32,840
you know the FLIR video at that time we

1430
01:00:37,690 --> 01:00:35,240
called it I think was called f4 MPEG and

1431
01:00:40,150 --> 01:00:37,700
he had one other video that he was never

1432
01:00:43,870 --> 01:00:40,160
able to get to play so he had three

1433
01:00:46,510 --> 01:00:43,880
files at that time um we haven't seen

1434
01:00:51,370 --> 01:00:46,520
the slide presentation that he had I'm

1435
01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:51,380
not sure why welter burt says that his

1436
01:00:57,310 --> 01:00:53,930
contact the AV specialist was part of

1437
01:00:59,410 --> 01:00:57,320
the presentation and that there was a

1438
01:01:02,080 --> 01:00:59,420
debriefing that was done and I believe

1439
01:01:05,530 --> 01:01:02,090
the timing of it was soon after the

1440
01:01:07,900 --> 01:01:05,540
incident so yeah I mean to line up that

1441
01:01:09,460 --> 01:01:07,910
would be incredible I I did read you

1442
01:01:11,830 --> 01:01:09,470
know that description that he was

1443
01:01:14,500 --> 01:01:11,840
putting together you know all the pieces

1444
01:01:17,020 --> 01:01:14,510
of the puzzle so to speak to create a

1445
01:01:19,720 --> 01:01:17,030
presentation I mean that would be an

1446
01:01:24,070 --> 01:01:19,730
amazing presentation to be briefed on

1447
01:01:29,500 --> 01:01:24,080
yeah and then last thing the the captain

1448
01:01:31,210 --> 01:01:29,510
was James red Smith and some days I

1449
01:01:33,040 --> 01:01:31,220
think it was Kevin both Kevin Day and

1450
01:01:35,170 --> 01:01:33,050
Gary Voorhees both reported that he was

1451
01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:35,180
pretty nonplussed by it very cool and

1452
01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:37,370
maybe even laughing it off or

1453
01:01:43,540 --> 01:01:38,930
what-have-you

1454
01:01:46,540 --> 01:01:43,550
and he now is let's see if I've got it

1455
01:01:48,820 --> 01:01:46,550
written here no I don't but his current

1456
01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:48,830
position is he's somewhere in Africa in

1457
01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:51,530
some type of intelligence position he

1458
01:01:56,020 --> 01:01:53,330
was the commanding officer of the Aegis

1459
01:01:57,580 --> 01:01:56,030
cruiser USS Princeton and air defense

1460
01:02:01,540 --> 01:01:57,590
commander for Nimitz Carrier Strike

1461
01:02:03,070 --> 01:02:01,550
Group at the time anyway I have a theory

1462
01:02:06,520 --> 01:02:03,080
since I'm kind of going down the turbo

1463
01:02:09,100 --> 01:02:06,530
track that high-level they were in on it

1464
01:02:11,110 --> 01:02:09,110
so the captain would have been in on it

1465
01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:11,120
the Admiral of around the Nimitz would

1466
01:02:16,390 --> 01:02:14,330
have been in on it but perhaps not below

1467
01:02:19,030 --> 01:02:16,400
that level and that hence explains why

1468
01:02:22,300 --> 01:02:19,040
these guys were acting somewhat tell us

1469
01:02:24,529 --> 01:02:22,310
about it I mean you know obviously if

1470
01:02:26,829 --> 01:02:24,539
this is need to know like on

1471
01:02:28,159 --> 01:02:26,839
knowledge special access project

1472
01:02:31,219 --> 01:02:28,169
aircraft

1473
01:02:33,799 --> 01:02:31,229
they're not gonna brief like anybody

1474
01:02:35,900 --> 01:02:33,809
except it's directly needs to know that

1475
01:02:37,549 --> 01:02:35,910
might be like you said the commander of

1476
01:02:40,039 --> 01:02:37,559
the ship and he's not going to be

1477
01:02:40,759 --> 01:02:40,049
talking about it outside of the people

1478
01:02:43,939 --> 01:02:40,769
above him

1479
01:02:45,890 --> 01:02:43,949
so it's possible at the time I don't

1480
01:02:47,749 --> 01:02:45,900
know if Kevin told you at the time they

1481
01:02:49,549 --> 01:02:47,759
were the captain told him that he

1482
01:02:52,579 --> 01:02:49,559
believed it was high altitude ice

1483
01:02:54,469 --> 01:02:52,589
particles that's what he said that the

1484
01:02:56,479 --> 01:02:54,479
radar was picking up and of course that

1485
01:02:59,089 --> 01:02:56,489
doesn't explain the visuals but that was

1486
01:03:01,189 --> 01:02:59,099
his take and yes Kevin buddy

1487
01:03:03,499 --> 01:03:01,199
the Kevin said he laughed it Kevin

1488
01:03:07,329 --> 01:03:03,509
laughed at that so right he said it was

1489
01:03:11,089 --> 01:03:07,339
absurd to consider that but I guess

1490
01:03:12,859 --> 01:03:11,099
after that he was contacted and he said

1491
01:03:15,890 --> 01:03:12,869
he didn't he didn't remember the

1492
01:03:18,409 --> 01:03:15,900
incident yeah I just brought it up read

1493
01:03:21,499 --> 01:03:18,419
Smith foreign affairs specialist for

1494
01:03:22,339 --> 01:03:21,509
Africa at u.s. naval forces Europe in

1495
01:03:27,289 --> 01:03:22,349
Africa

1496
01:03:29,479 --> 01:03:27,299
commander Sixth Fleet so I was gonna ask

1497
01:03:31,969 --> 01:03:29,489
a related question which is is there one

1498
01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:31,979
interview for your next Nimitz

1499
01:03:36,589 --> 01:03:34,890
encounters when you update your great

1500
01:03:38,149 --> 01:03:36,599
documentary is there one interview

1501
01:03:42,769 --> 01:03:38,159
you're really chasin that you want to

1502
01:03:46,729 --> 01:03:42,779
get well I mean you know I think the the

1503
01:03:50,059 --> 01:03:46,739
the whole Roosevelt case is just

1504
01:03:54,079 --> 01:03:50,069
intriguing and it hasn't really been

1505
01:03:56,120 --> 01:03:54,089
thoroughly explored we know very little

1506
01:03:59,599 --> 01:03:56,130
a lot of these guys are still active

1507
01:04:02,269 --> 01:03:59,609
duty and I have a couple contacts that

1508
01:04:04,159 --> 01:04:02,279
we're there that have you know basically

1509
01:04:07,130 --> 01:04:04,169
said look you know I'm working for the

1510
01:04:09,709 --> 01:04:07,140
Navy now and you know active duty I have

1511
01:04:12,319 --> 01:04:09,719
a clearance I can't really talk to you

1512
01:04:13,819 --> 01:04:12,329
right now but you know once I'm retired

1513
01:04:17,509 --> 01:04:13,829
once I'm out of the Navy I might

1514
01:04:19,819 --> 01:04:17,519
reconsider that so I mean that story to

1515
01:04:22,789 --> 01:04:19,829
me is fascinating I could I could do a

1516
01:04:25,039 --> 01:04:22,799
very similar recreation I would love to

1517
01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:25,049
do a similar recreation with it with

1518
01:04:30,049 --> 01:04:28,650
that you know advantage as well yeah

1519
01:04:31,399 --> 01:04:30,059
well you did a great job with Nimbus

1520
01:04:33,140 --> 01:04:31,409
Encounters I'm sure most our listeners

1521
01:04:35,839 --> 01:04:33,150
have probably already seen it but we'll

1522
01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:35,849
be put posts up to it and so on and yeah

1523
01:04:39,290 --> 01:04:37,890
I would love to see you do one but

1524
01:04:43,670 --> 01:04:39,300
the East Coast I hope you're making a

1525
01:04:46,550 --> 01:04:43,680
little money off of these not really you

1526
01:04:49,130 --> 01:04:46,560
know it you know as strange as that

1527
01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:49,140
seems when I first started doing it it

1528
01:04:55,040 --> 01:04:52,650
was just a personal project I you know I

1529
01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:55,050
watched it you know recently and I said

1530
01:04:57,890 --> 01:04:56,010
you know it's a little rough around the

1531
01:04:59,630 --> 01:04:57,900
edges but I said look I got to give

1532
01:05:02,120 --> 01:04:59,640
myself credit because pretty much I did

1533
01:05:06,380 --> 01:05:02,130
everything I didn't really I didn't have

1534
01:05:08,030 --> 01:05:06,390
any funds I you know didn't really have

1535
01:05:11,360 --> 01:05:08,040
it I was doing it on my off time and the

1536
01:05:13,220 --> 01:05:11,370
weekends I was you know and so when I

1537
01:05:14,600 --> 01:05:13,230
release them it's like look I just made

1538
01:05:15,950 --> 01:05:14,610
it for free I'm just gonna put it on the

1539
01:05:18,020 --> 01:05:15,960
internet never really expected to have

1540
01:05:20,810 --> 01:05:18,030
that much traction

1541
01:05:23,270 --> 01:05:20,820
we're over 4 million views now with it

1542
01:05:24,590 --> 01:05:23,280
and you know I was blown away but at the

1543
01:05:26,240 --> 01:05:24,600
time I put it out there I'm like I'm not

1544
01:05:28,160 --> 01:05:26,250
gonna monetize this so that means

1545
01:05:32,510 --> 01:05:28,170
YouTube is paid a dollar seventy eight

1546
01:05:34,850 --> 01:05:32,520
so far is big fat zero so is it is it

1547
01:05:37,130 --> 01:05:34,860
truly a zero yeah yeah I mean I just and

1548
01:05:39,860 --> 01:05:37,140
I'm like if anyone wants to use it they

1549
01:05:41,120 --> 01:05:39,870
can share it on their channel but why

1550
01:05:43,220 --> 01:05:41,130
haven't you made why you have you made

1551
01:05:45,560 --> 01:05:43,230
any money off for YouTube ads I because

1552
01:05:47,060 --> 01:05:45,570
I didn't monetize my channel oh you

1553
01:05:48,740 --> 01:05:47,070
didn't turn it on I gave it I just gave

1554
01:05:51,350 --> 01:05:48,750
it to everybody I'm like you don't you

1555
01:05:51,770 --> 01:05:51,360
don't want an ad on my my video it's

1556
01:05:54,860 --> 01:05:51,780
fine

1557
01:05:57,170 --> 01:05:54,870
you can have it yeah and I do make a

1558
01:06:00,470 --> 01:05:57,180
little bit on Amazon so if you want to

1559
01:06:03,230 --> 01:06:00,480
watch it on your Smart TV you can pull

1560
01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:03,240
it up on Amazon Prime video and I make a

1561
01:06:06,860 --> 01:06:04,770
little bit off that mm-hmm well

1562
01:06:09,560 --> 01:06:06,870
hopefully History Channel Discovery

1563
01:06:12,580 --> 01:06:09,570
Channel etc are watching because I you

1564
01:06:15,590 --> 01:06:12,590
know they've got to be doing additional

1565
01:06:17,980 --> 01:06:15,600
programs on this what was the one called

1566
01:06:21,770 --> 01:06:17,990
that was on history or discovery

1567
01:06:23,660 --> 01:06:21,780
unidentified yeah I mean I'm you eat oh

1568
01:06:25,820 --> 01:06:23,670
they were doing a second season huh yeah

1569
01:06:27,400 --> 01:06:25,830
and then of course you've I'm sure

1570
01:06:31,220 --> 01:06:27,410
you've learned that some of your buddies

1571
01:06:33,550 --> 01:06:31,230
including Kevin and I think PJ and Gary

1572
01:06:36,800 --> 01:06:33,560
but you know are doing this expedition

1573
01:06:38,180 --> 01:06:36,810
they said come December they're gonna

1574
01:06:39,920 --> 01:06:38,190
put some ships out there in the same

1575
01:06:42,440 --> 01:06:39,930
region around San Clemente Island and

1576
01:06:43,970 --> 01:06:42,450
see what they see yeah I mean you know

1577
01:06:46,040 --> 01:06:43,980
they've sort of given me an open

1578
01:06:48,560 --> 01:06:46,050
invitation to participate with that so

1579
01:06:50,540 --> 01:06:48,570
you know if it works out I would love to

1580
01:06:51,220 --> 01:06:50,550
like you know also check that out you

1581
01:06:53,650 --> 01:06:51,230
know

1582
01:06:55,750 --> 01:06:53,660
just told him don't be public about when

1583
01:06:57,130 --> 01:06:55,760
you're gonna do it because if this is us

1584
01:06:58,180 --> 01:06:57,140
craft and they don't want to be seen

1585
01:07:01,540 --> 01:06:58,190
they ain't gonna be out there at that

1586
01:07:03,849 --> 01:07:01,550
time so I would think you you know you'd

1587
01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:03,859
want to be quiet about when you're going

1588
01:07:07,090 --> 01:07:06,170
out there you know I don't probably a

1589
01:07:09,310 --> 01:07:07,100
long shot that they're gonna see

1590
01:07:12,040 --> 01:07:09,320
anything anyway but well you know I mean

1591
01:07:12,460 --> 01:07:12,050
the the interesting thing that they came

1592
01:07:14,980 --> 01:07:12,470
up with

1593
01:07:17,710 --> 01:07:14,990
I think Kevin specifically was the

1594
01:07:19,810 --> 01:07:17,720
migration pattern of whales was sort of

1595
01:07:21,940 --> 01:07:19,820
the impetus like heaven you know

1596
01:07:23,560 --> 01:07:21,950
identified the fact that these whales

1597
01:07:26,109 --> 01:07:23,570
migrate through the Channel Islands

1598
01:07:27,880 --> 01:07:26,119
going southward down bahahaha and he

1599
01:07:29,410 --> 01:07:27,890
thought you know the UFOs seem to like

1600
01:07:31,290 --> 01:07:29,420
to follow that same pattern I wonder if

1601
01:07:34,090 --> 01:07:31,300
there's some correlation between

1602
01:07:37,060 --> 01:07:34,100
migration of whales and these UAP

1603
01:07:39,250 --> 01:07:37,070
objects well check out the turbo

1604
01:07:41,680 --> 01:07:39,260
interview you're gonna enjoy it

1605
01:07:42,730 --> 01:07:41,690
oh I can eat it's kind of long so if

1606
01:07:45,580 --> 01:07:42,740
you're limited you get limited time

1607
01:07:47,560 --> 01:07:45,590
we'll e-mail you the part where it gets

1608
01:07:50,680 --> 01:07:47,570
really interesting where he starts

1609
01:07:53,260 --> 01:07:50,690
implying that he actually rode on one

1610
01:07:55,630 --> 01:07:53,270
and it was a cross-country trip that

1611
01:07:57,730 --> 01:07:55,640
took 84 minutes and we asked why 84

1612
01:07:59,440 --> 01:07:57,740
minutes why wasn't it half a second it's

1613
01:08:01,990 --> 01:07:59,450
because the g-force would have been too

1614
01:08:05,230 --> 01:08:02,000
strong so he basically flew as quickly

1615
01:08:08,260 --> 01:08:05,240
as you could in a in one of these things

1616
01:08:11,500 --> 01:08:08,270
went on the g-force wreaking havoc on

1617
01:08:16,499 --> 01:08:11,510
you and then kind of describes the

1618
01:08:20,140 --> 01:08:16,509
inside of it four seats on the inside

1619
01:08:23,380 --> 01:08:20,150
etc so it's pretty fascinating he showed

1620
01:08:25,120 --> 01:08:23,390
me on his phone his Google Maps going

1621
01:08:28,539 --> 01:08:25,130
from Palmdale because he claims they're

1622
01:08:32,410 --> 01:08:28,549
all made in Palmdale plant 42 and by

1623
01:08:35,590 --> 01:08:32,420
these major contractors and essentially

1624
01:08:37,990 --> 01:08:35,600
writing from there to the East Coast for

1625
01:08:39,400 --> 01:08:38,000
a briefing on it now I've since fooled

1626
01:08:41,979 --> 01:08:39,410
around with my phone a little bit with

1627
01:08:43,570 --> 01:08:41,989
Google Maps to see could you fake that

1628
01:08:45,729 --> 01:08:43,580
on Google Maps and actually the answer

1629
01:08:48,039 --> 01:08:45,739
is you absolutely can it's actually

1630
01:08:50,440 --> 01:08:48,049
fairly easy to injure Google Maps and

1631
01:08:52,180 --> 01:08:50,450
change destinations and times and so on

1632
01:08:54,099 --> 01:08:52,190
so the fact he had that on his phone

1633
01:08:55,990 --> 01:08:54,109
turned out to be less impressive than I

1634
01:08:56,410 --> 01:08:56,000
thought it was at the time he showed it

1635
01:09:00,249 --> 01:08:56,420
to me

1636
01:09:01,780 --> 01:09:00,259
yeah he definitely his information for

1637
01:09:04,010 --> 01:09:01,790
the most part is checking out that

1638
01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:04,020
particular claim

1639
01:09:09,680 --> 01:09:08,010
his is fascinating but you know this

1640
01:09:11,180 --> 01:09:09,690
whole story is fascinating so you know

1641
01:09:12,470 --> 01:09:11,190
most people kind of roll their eyes a

1642
01:09:14,090 --> 01:09:12,480
little bit about that claim but then

1643
01:09:16,010 --> 01:09:14,100
again this whole thing is so

1644
01:09:20,240 --> 01:09:16,020
unbelievable that you know just toss one

1645
01:09:22,070 --> 01:09:20,250
more thing into the pot I mean I vote

1646
01:09:23,330 --> 01:09:22,080
that commander forever she get to fly

1647
01:09:25,550 --> 01:09:23,340
one and that's what he said he wanted to

1648
01:09:28,400 --> 01:09:25,560
fly one so I mean I think we should all

1649
01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:28,410
like you know you know boat him in so

1650
01:09:33,860 --> 01:09:32,010
like yeah well what in Iturbi you don't

1651
01:09:34,820 --> 01:09:33,870
get to fly it you're just a passenger so

1652
01:09:37,130 --> 01:09:34,830
you know it's okay

1653
01:09:40,610 --> 01:09:37,140
you know it's basically a drone right so

1654
01:09:43,450 --> 01:09:40,620
somebody else is controlling it but okay

1655
01:09:46,190 --> 01:09:43,460
according to turbo it can take

1656
01:09:47,570 --> 01:09:46,200
passengers it's not very comfortable and

1657
01:09:49,310 --> 01:09:47,580
not really designed for that at this

1658
01:09:52,100 --> 01:09:49,320
point but it is theoretically possible

1659
01:09:55,250 --> 01:09:52,110
for people to write in it of course it

1660
01:09:57,740 --> 01:09:55,260
cannot go at the incredible speeds that

1661
01:09:59,060 --> 01:09:57,750
it's capable of though I mean I so want

1662
01:10:00,950 --> 01:09:59,070
to believe that I really I really

1663
01:10:03,320 --> 01:10:00,960
honestly do want to believe that that we

1664
01:10:04,940 --> 01:10:03,330
have that type of technology I mean that

1665
01:10:06,890 --> 01:10:04,950
would be incredible

1666
01:10:09,080 --> 01:10:06,900
you know life-changing for all of us

1667
01:10:16,190 --> 01:10:09,090
yeah I agree I hope it's ours and not

1668
01:10:18,500 --> 01:10:16,200
anybody else's Michael which part well

1669
01:10:20,450 --> 01:10:18,510
actually I just relist into it he said

1670
01:10:21,650 --> 01:10:20,460
more in the show than we remembered he

1671
01:10:23,630 --> 01:10:21,660
talked about what it looked like on the

1672
01:10:25,550 --> 01:10:23,640
inside he didn't say the four seats

1673
01:10:27,230 --> 01:10:25,560
though what Michaels talked about so

1674
01:10:28,790 --> 01:10:27,240
we're kind of close to the term record

1675
01:10:32,120 --> 01:10:28,800
or something yeah and we had beers

1676
01:10:34,220 --> 01:10:32,130
afterwards and then after a few beers

1677
01:10:37,910 --> 01:10:34,230
I'm kidding it wasn't bad for fish but

1678
01:10:40,520 --> 01:10:37,920
during a couple during a couple beers he

1679
01:10:42,110 --> 01:10:40,530
put more meat on the bone for us as far

1680
01:10:44,750 --> 01:10:42,120
as that and that but he just said that

1681
01:10:48,170 --> 01:10:44,760
that's classified and yeah well I mean

1682
01:10:50,540 --> 01:10:48,180
that you know I mean believe me a lot of

1683
01:10:52,700 --> 01:10:50,550
these cases take a similar track but the

1684
01:10:54,890 --> 01:10:52,710
et bass you know and first the guy sees

1685
01:10:56,300 --> 01:10:54,900
the UFO next thing it's let you know you

1686
01:10:58,490 --> 01:10:56,310
didn't tell you about the time it landed

1687
01:10:59,720 --> 01:10:58,500
in his backyard now the third time that

1688
01:11:02,810 --> 01:10:59,730
he went to the moon

1689
01:11:05,150 --> 01:11:02,820
inside the UFO yeah Michael has warned

1690
01:11:07,100 --> 01:11:05,160
me about that because he used to host a

1691
01:11:09,530 --> 01:11:07,110
show that did some serious work on UFOs

1692
01:11:12,770 --> 01:11:09,540
and I'm more new to the subject so I'm

1693
01:11:16,100 --> 01:11:12,780
working I'm more gullible but his part

1694
01:11:17,740 --> 01:11:16,110
about his contact the AV guy that all

1695
01:11:20,350 --> 01:11:17,750
keeps kind of checking out against

1696
01:11:22,090 --> 01:11:20,360
the more we learn that that seems to to

1697
01:11:23,710 --> 01:11:22,100
fit I mean I don't know where you are

1698
01:11:25,540 --> 01:11:23,720
right now I assume it sounds like you're

1699
01:11:28,270 --> 01:11:25,550
kind of leaning toward it more likely

1700
01:11:32,500 --> 01:11:28,280
being us technology than anything else I

1701
01:11:35,110 --> 01:11:32,510
mean it's such a far stretch for me too

1702
01:11:36,910 --> 01:11:35,120
first of all eliminate all prosaic

1703
01:11:40,480 --> 01:11:36,920
explanations for what these guys

1704
01:11:43,570 --> 01:11:40,490
witnessed I mean I would I would put

1705
01:11:46,030 --> 01:11:43,580
that 90% of my ideas is that it's an

1706
01:11:49,060 --> 01:11:46,040
earthly origin do I know what it is I

1707
01:11:51,850 --> 01:11:49,070
don't know is it some technology is in

1708
01:11:54,180 --> 01:11:51,860
the machine yeah obviously it is so I

1709
01:11:56,980 --> 01:11:54,190
lean that way but then again the UFO

1710
01:12:00,790 --> 01:11:56,990
researcher side of me you know that goes

1711
01:12:03,880 --> 01:12:00,800
back beyond any Navy UFO thing says that

1712
01:12:05,950 --> 01:12:03,890
these crafts have been observed for you

1713
01:12:08,140 --> 01:12:05,960
know decades hundreds of years in the

1714
01:12:09,490 --> 01:12:08,150
United States but goes on way before

1715
01:12:12,490 --> 01:12:09,500
that really if you look at sort of

1716
01:12:14,290 --> 01:12:12,500
recorded history and it's if you look at

1717
01:12:16,780 --> 01:12:14,300
the cases if you look at the data of

1718
01:12:20,350 --> 01:12:16,790
these true unknowns you come away going

1719
01:12:23,080 --> 01:12:20,360
that was real what those people saw is

1720
01:12:26,440 --> 01:12:23,090
real and it has not been explained and

1721
01:12:29,320 --> 01:12:26,450
it's definitely you know so it goes so

1722
01:12:31,600 --> 01:12:29,330
far back you have to say the technology

1723
01:12:33,880 --> 01:12:31,610
was being observed before we even had

1724
01:12:37,480 --> 01:12:33,890
like airplanes flying around you know

1725
01:12:39,400 --> 01:12:37,490
like very rudimentary airplane so yeah

1726
01:12:43,120 --> 01:12:39,410
and and what was observed those many

1727
01:12:45,240 --> 01:12:43,130
decades ago is in the same realm of what

1728
01:12:48,010 --> 01:12:45,250
wishes are observed by these guys

1729
01:12:50,710 --> 01:12:48,020
exactly and you know just our sensors

1730
01:12:53,320 --> 01:12:50,720
and our capabilities of imaging them and

1731
01:12:56,680 --> 01:12:53,330
you know every time we advance our

1732
01:12:57,550 --> 01:12:56,690
ability to sense something you know one

1733
01:13:00,310 --> 01:12:57,560
of the here's something really

1734
01:13:02,860 --> 01:13:00,320
interesting the guys from the Roosevelt

1735
01:13:05,770 --> 01:13:02,870
said there was a time when we couldn't

1736
01:13:07,870 --> 01:13:05,780
see them but if we turn on our infrared

1737
01:13:09,580 --> 01:13:07,880
we could see them and then we would

1738
01:13:10,810 --> 01:13:09,590
approach these objects and this is off

1739
01:13:13,300 --> 01:13:10,820
the coast of the east coast of the

1740
01:13:15,490 --> 01:13:13,310
United States we'd approach them using

1741
01:13:18,280 --> 01:13:15,500
infrared we get a lock on these things

1742
01:13:20,290 --> 01:13:18,290
and then we get within like a mile of

1743
01:13:22,660 --> 01:13:20,300
this object that's on a lot that's

1744
01:13:24,910 --> 01:13:22,670
locked on and then they would look under

1745
01:13:27,160 --> 01:13:24,920
the cockpit and it's the same thing and

1746
01:13:28,990 --> 01:13:27,170
it's not there so in other words they

1747
01:13:31,240 --> 01:13:29,000
could see it in infrared because the

1748
01:13:34,060 --> 01:13:31,250
sensor capabilities that had advanced

1749
01:13:36,310 --> 01:13:34,070
to 2015 but they couldn't see it in the

1750
01:13:37,360 --> 01:13:36,320
visible spectrum infrared is reading

1751
01:13:40,720 --> 01:13:37,370
heat is that correct

1752
01:13:44,260 --> 01:13:40,730
it's just reading as a spectrum of light

1753
01:13:46,420 --> 01:13:44,270
or energy that's above our visual you

1754
01:13:48,400 --> 01:13:46,430
know yeah I guess and I'm not a

1755
01:13:52,060 --> 01:13:48,410
physicist but it's just outside of the

1756
01:13:54,670 --> 01:13:52,070
visual spectrum of image you know

1757
01:13:57,040 --> 01:13:54,680
so devising some type of additional

1758
01:14:01,120 --> 01:13:57,050
cloaking technology stealth technology

1759
01:14:04,690 --> 01:14:01,130
yeah or it's that the object itself is

1760
01:14:07,600 --> 01:14:04,700
some type of energy that's outside of

1761
01:14:09,310 --> 01:14:07,610
the visual spectrum of light so it's in

1762
01:14:10,930 --> 01:14:09,320
the infrared spectrum of light that we

1763
01:14:15,010 --> 01:14:10,940
you could it would be there'd be

1764
01:14:16,720 --> 01:14:15,020
invisible but then again you know it

1765
01:14:18,130 --> 01:14:16,730
kind of boggles my mind that that could

1766
01:14:20,620 --> 01:14:18,140
happen because when he was saying that I

1767
01:14:22,690 --> 01:14:20,630
said well wait a second if you guys are

1768
01:14:24,640 --> 01:14:22,700
seeing these things in infrared these

1769
01:14:27,360 --> 01:14:24,650
objects in the sky but you can't see him

1770
01:14:29,740 --> 01:14:27,370
visually that means they could be around

1771
01:14:32,710 --> 01:14:29,750
everywhere and that we couldn't see him

1772
01:14:36,510 --> 01:14:32,720
because we're not using these high-tech

1773
01:14:38,800 --> 01:14:36,520
sensors that the baby has and in fact I

1774
01:14:42,060 --> 01:14:38,810
research that I found out that the Navy

1775
01:14:46,620 --> 01:14:42,070
is using this thing called irst

1776
01:14:48,970 --> 01:14:46,630
it's like infrared search and track

1777
01:14:50,590 --> 01:14:48,980
infrared search and track something like

1778
01:14:53,680 --> 01:14:50,600
that and they're caught it's called a

1779
01:14:55,870 --> 01:14:53,690
legion pod and these legion pods go on

1780
01:15:00,040 --> 01:14:55,880
the underbelly of the strike fighters

1781
01:15:02,080 --> 01:15:00,050
and they're used in areas where they're

1782
01:15:04,150 --> 01:15:02,090
being denied radar they can't either

1783
01:15:05,140 --> 01:15:04,160
it's jamming or in a combat threat

1784
01:15:07,360 --> 01:15:05,150
environment where you can't use your

1785
01:15:09,190 --> 01:15:07,370
radar anymore so this infrareds a

1786
01:15:12,670 --> 01:15:09,200
passive system but it can be used to

1787
01:15:15,040 --> 01:15:12,680
engage aerial targets so they were

1788
01:15:18,130 --> 01:15:15,050
picking these UFOs up on this new

1789
01:15:19,630 --> 01:15:18,140
technology so you know maybe that's why

1790
01:15:21,130 --> 01:15:19,640
we're seeing them they maybe see me

1791
01:15:23,080 --> 01:15:21,140
because that who are advancing our

1792
01:15:25,600 --> 01:15:23,090
capabilities phased array radar you know

1793
01:15:28,540 --> 01:15:25,610
you talked about that with that is

1794
01:15:30,700 --> 01:15:28,550
turbos claim is that with the expanded

1795
01:15:31,900 --> 01:15:30,710
use of phased array radar these things

1796
01:15:34,720 --> 01:15:31,910
are going to start getting discovered

1797
01:15:36,280 --> 01:15:34,730
more and more and hence the reason why

1798
01:15:39,220 --> 01:15:36,290
Navy's kind of in a position now to

1799
01:15:40,980 --> 01:15:39,230
start acknowledging some of this because

1800
01:15:43,240 --> 01:15:40,990
we're getting closer and closer to

1801
01:15:46,880 --> 01:15:43,250
learning what it

1802
01:15:52,100 --> 01:15:46,890
you know PJ Hughes's a really good guy

1803
01:15:54,950 --> 01:15:52,110
you know I was talking to him about the

1804
01:15:58,400 --> 01:15:54,960
haka and they said well so I said do you

1805
01:16:00,110 --> 01:15:58,410
think that the cec use you know why they

1806
01:16:02,900 --> 01:16:00,120
came and got your stuff to me so maybe

1807
01:16:05,990 --> 01:16:02,910
there was something else I go ok so I go

1808
01:16:08,840 --> 01:16:06,000
there so PJ you're telling me you can't

1809
01:16:10,940 --> 01:16:08,850
say anything other classified Tech was

1810
01:16:13,670 --> 01:16:10,950
on at Hawkeye but it's possible that it

1811
01:16:17,390 --> 01:16:13,680
was so he's like yes and he wouldn't

1812
01:16:21,140 --> 01:16:17,400
tell me but so yeah what I got from that

1813
01:16:23,690 --> 01:16:21,150
tell me it says confirmed is that if

1814
01:16:25,780 --> 01:16:23,700
people were to have access to that data

1815
01:16:29,090 --> 01:16:25,790
brick for instance what's on there

1816
01:16:31,300 --> 01:16:29,100
discloses technology that the US has and

1817
01:16:32,630 --> 01:16:31,310
the Hawkeye is capable of them is

1818
01:16:35,300 --> 01:16:32,640
top-secret

1819
01:16:37,880 --> 01:16:35,310
and yeah even comment right even to

1820
01:16:40,670 --> 01:16:37,890
mention like CEC is pretty classified

1821
01:16:43,700 --> 01:16:40,680
but you can say that and they can talk

1822
01:16:46,190 --> 01:16:43,710
about CEC according to PJ there's other

1823
01:16:48,560 --> 01:16:46,200
tack they can't even say what it is yeah

1824
01:16:50,180 --> 01:16:48,570
yeah and he's making the point also to

1825
01:16:51,620 --> 01:16:50,190
us that hey there's a lot of things that

1826
01:16:53,300 --> 01:16:51,630
I know that you don't know and you're

1827
01:16:55,190 --> 01:16:53,310
not allowed to know right I assure you

1828
01:16:57,860 --> 01:16:55,200
based on the level I was in the military

1829
01:17:01,430 --> 01:16:57,870
there's a ton of other stuff that they

1830
01:17:03,350 --> 01:17:01,440
know that I don't know so I mean and if

1831
01:17:06,290 --> 01:17:03,360
you just look at that area that training

1832
01:17:09,050 --> 01:17:06,300
range out there if you start looking at

1833
01:17:12,590 --> 01:17:09,060
SATA candelita or cattle knee or no is

1834
01:17:14,630 --> 01:17:12,600
it San Clemente Island you know Tim and

1835
01:17:16,430 --> 01:17:14,640
I had this discussion after looking at a

1836
01:17:18,020 --> 01:17:16,440
code oh my god look at going Google

1837
01:17:20,000 --> 01:17:18,030
Earth you look at your like there's some

1838
01:17:22,190 --> 01:17:20,010
underground stuff over there that it

1839
01:17:23,600 --> 01:17:22,200
almost looks like these some of these

1840
01:17:25,610 --> 01:17:23,610
little islands are almost like

1841
01:17:28,190 --> 01:17:25,620
camouflage to look like there's nothing

1842
01:17:31,160 --> 01:17:28,200
but there's like air vents and stuff in

1843
01:17:32,960 --> 01:17:31,170
I mean it's a very very highly

1844
01:17:35,990 --> 01:17:32,970
classified area it would be a great

1845
01:17:39,440 --> 01:17:36,000
place to test secret aircraft out there

1846
01:17:41,450 --> 01:17:39,450
so well we went from studying Epstein's

1847
01:17:45,770 --> 01:17:41,460
private island to the government's

1848
01:17:48,320 --> 01:17:45,780
private island to two islands that need

1849
01:17:51,110 --> 01:17:48,330
some investigation and for yeah a little

1850
01:17:52,550 --> 01:17:51,120
late in the up stink situation thank you

1851
01:17:54,950 --> 01:17:52,560
again to Dave Beatty you can go to

1852
01:17:56,250 --> 01:17:54,960
Amazon Prime to check out the Nimitz

1853
01:17:58,410 --> 01:17:56,260
Encounters documentary

1854
01:17:59,880 --> 01:17:58,420
thank you to our producer Michael Parker

1855
01:18:01,890 --> 01:17:59,890
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1856
01:18:03,930 --> 01:18:01,900
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1857
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1858
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1860
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1861
01:18:18,660 --> 01:18:16,120
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1862
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1863
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1864
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1866
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